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#26 Poussey

Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (katie_wallsy @ 19/10/2012, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok there is something I do not understand. All experts and web sites say not to have any alcohol in your bloodstream when you breastfeed because the amount of alcohol in your milk is exactly the same as in your blood. But here is what I dont understand.

After 10 drinks over a few hours your blood alcohol level would be...say...around 0.15%. That means your alcohol level in your milk would be 0.15%, which is 33 times less alcohol then in beer and about 60 times less than wine. Now lets say my baby drinks 100ml then thats the equivalent of about 3ml of beer. Did you hear that 3ml!!

Now of course babies are small so weigh 20 times less than I do so in adult terms thats 60ml of beer. And what would 60ml of beer do to an adult...(or 30ml of wine)?? NOTHING!

So my question is obvious...what am I missing??


I totally agree OP- I haven't had 10 drinks while I have been breastfeeding (or since I was about 20, anyway!) but I have been perfectly happy to have 2 glasses of wine and if need be, breastfeed my baby thereafter. The amount of alcohol that passes through is negligible- there is more alcohol in Infant's Friend than in my breastmilk after 2 glasses of wine.

My understanding of the hysteria is that people equate breastfeeding as the same as being pregnant, which it is not. There are people I know who still don't want to take nurofen, antibiotics, cold and flu tablets, because they are breastfeeding- despite the fact that they are all perfectly safe...

A PP said, it's about the lowest common denominator. Many people would have 2-3 "glasses" of wine and they have had about 6 standard drinks- I know how to pour a standard drink and enjoy my alcohol responsibly. I find that most blanket parenting advice it written to appeal to the lowest common denominator of stupidity- because people will equate "drinking in moderation" to 4 UDLs, or will continue to leave their children unattended in the bathtub "just for a minute", or just pop round the corner to the shops with their 2 year old unrestrained in the front seat...


#27 Chelara

Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

.05 is not 5 drinks it's 1-2.

#28 MrsLightyear

Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE (cabbagepatch @ 19/10/2012, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love that everyone is off to get a glass of wine!! Hope you don't plan on breastfeeding while you drink laughing2.gif


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#29 CallMeFeral

Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (kerrie23 @ 19/10/2012, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry but I don't get your theory, what exactly are you saying?  That it is right to have 10 drinks then breastfeed your tiny, defenceless and brain developing baby?


Yes, yes that's exactly what she's saying. If you are unable to actually read words, perhaps.

QUOTE (countrymel @ 19/10/2012, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but because there are morons out there who can't tell the difference between a glass of wine with a meal and 26 jelly shots  or an 'all you can drink' margarita night


Don't be so rude about our anti alcohol EB population countrymel.... wink.gif

QUOTE (Livsh @ 19/10/2012, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm taking bets on how many pages this will get to....

I'm guessing 50.


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I'm actually going to go conservative and say 23.
But rules are you can't bump the topic just to get to your number...

QUOTE (follies @ 19/10/2012, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's turn this into a game. If baby A drank off the boob of a woman who drank 10 shots for 30 minutes and baby B drank off the boob of a woman who drank 5 shots for an hour, how long until this gets shut down?

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#30 CallMeFeral

Posted 19 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

Funny, 'cos she seems to be applying a lot more brain to it that the posts are that are insulting her without providing any rational argument...

Oh come on. If, as a regular member, you wanted to ask this question... would you use your normal username? Especially after poor Relish posted about getting followed to her work just for a NAME?


Edited by lucky 2, 19 October 2012 - 04:41 PM.
r/o removed quotes, responses left, I hope they still make sense


#31 Arls01

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

I formula feed not breastfeed so maybe I should add some alcohol to the bottle? What was it again, OP? 3mls? Is that right?

#32 cabbagepatch

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

I think these news stories might help to enlighten you OP

http://digitaljournal.com/article/325193

Edited by cabbagepatch, 19 October 2012 - 02:01 PM.


#33 katie_wallsy

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:02 PM

Wow...I didn't expect this. There seems to be some confusion. I was not arguing a point I was just stating some mathematical stats and asking for clarification. I HAVE NEVER DRUNK AND BREASTFED...and im on my second child.

#34 purplekitty

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (countrymel @ 19/10/2012, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm off to find a photo of my Mum (district supervisor and life member of the ABA) holding a glass of sherry in one hand with baby me attached to the breast and nestled in the crook of her other arm!
I'll confess I had the occasional glass of wine back in the day when I was breastfeeding mine.

Just another thing for them to blame me about at their therapy sessions.

*donning my big asbestos panties*

#35 seayork2002

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

The Scottish used to put Whiskey in babies bottles to calm them, they also put salt on porridge and deep fry Mars Bars, you point? original.gif says it all really  biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Arls01 @ 19/10/2012, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I formula feed not breastfeed so maybe I should add some alcohol to the bottle? What was it again, OP? 3mls? Is that right?



#36 seayork2002

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

I think it is obvious you are a new member original.gif then

and yes I am bored at work !

QUOTE (katie_wallsy @ 19/10/2012, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow...I didn't expect this. There seems to be some confusion. I was not arguing a point I was just stating some mathematical stats and asking for clarification. I HAVE NEVER DRUNK AND BREASTFED...and im on my second child.



#37 FeralZupee

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE (Stan the Fan Man @ 19/10/2012, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My understanding of the hysteria is that people equate breastfeeding as the same as being pregnant, which it is not. There are people I know who still don't want to take nurofen, antibiotics, cold and flu tablets, because they are breastfeeding- despite the fact that they are all perfectly safe...


I agree with most of your post, except I have a genuine question, which type of cold and flu tablets are safe to take while breastfeeding?
I've had a few colds while bf and have been to a number of chemists both in Aus and Canada (hoping for different answers!), and they've all told me the same thing, that I can't take cold and flu tablets and need to treat the individual symptoms instead. Which sucks. So if there's a type out there that is ok, would be great to know for next time.

#38 ubermum

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE (katie_wallsy @ 19/10/2012, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.. ...and im on my second child.

lol, sounds like you are eating them, not raising them.

Oh and Seayork, the Scots put salt IN porridge when making it, not on it. A few pinches brings out the flavour of the oats, och aye!

Edited by ubermum, 19 October 2012 - 02:09 PM.


#39 RichardParker

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:08 PM

So if I have one glass of wine, and a BAC of 0.01, it's the equivalent of putting one tenth of a miL of pure alcohol into a 100mL bottle of EBM and giving it to my baby?

Does it also mean that everything I eat or drink is digested by me, then made into breastmilk with the exact proportions of the chemical compound of my last few hours of eating/drinking in the milk?

Clearly biology is not my strong point.



#40 Bluenomi

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:09 PM

QUOTE (CallMeAliG @ 19/10/2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh come on. If, as a regular member, you wanted to ask this question... would you use your normal username? Especially after poor Relish posted about getting followed to her work just for a NAME?


You have a good point, I didn't think of that. Though a long time member would know better but hey, we all need to get a fun somehow!

#41 follies

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

Ok, I'll play nice. I'm a little exhausted after a long week so everything seems funny to me today and little makes sense, but you need to take body weight into consideration.

#42 happynow

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

hope this helps





As a general rule, it takes 2 hours for an average woman to

get rid of the alcohol from 1 standard alcoholic drink and

therefore 4 hours for 2 drinks, 6 hours for 3 drinks and so on.

The following table gives more accurate times for mothers, depending

on their weight. To use this table follow these steps:

1. Find the body weight closest to your current body weight down

the left hand column.

2. Decide how many drinks you might have or have had from the

top row.

3. Read along the row where your weight appears and then down

the column that equals the number of drinks.

Approximate time taken for alcohol to be cleared from

breastmilk





(hours:mins)

Mother’s Number of standard drinks

Weight

(kg) 1 2 3 4 5 6

55 1:55 3:51 5:46 7:42 9:38 11:33

57 1:53 3:46 5:40 7:33 9:26 11:20

59 1:51 3:42 5:33 7:25 9:16 11:07

61 1:48 3:38 5:27 7:16 9:05 10:55

64 1:47 3:34 5:22 7:08 8:56 10:43

66 1:45 3:30 5:15 7:01 8:46 10:32

68 1:43 3:27 5:10 6:54 8:37 10:21

70 1:42 3:23 5:05 6:46 8:28 10:10

73 1:40 3:20 5:00 6:40 8:20 10:00

75 1:38 3:16 4:55 6:33 8:12 9:50

77 1:36 3:13 4:50 6:27 8:03 9:40

79 1:35 3:10 4:45 6:20 7:55 9:31

82 1:33 3:07 4:41 6:15 7:48 9:22

84 1:32 3:04 4:36 6:08 7:41 9:13

86 1:31 3:02 4:32 6:03 7:34 9:05

Note:





Time is taken from the start of drinking. It is assumed that alcohol is

cleared at a constant rate of 15 mg/dL and the height of the women is

162.5 centimetres.

Example 1:





For a 59 kg woman who has had 3 standard drinks, one after the

other, it would take 5 hours and 33 minutes from when she started drinking

for there to be no alcohol in her breastmilk. For a 70 kg woman drinking the

same amount, it would take 5 hours 5 minutes.

Example 2:





For an 84 kg woman drinking 2 standard drinks starting at

8:00 pm, there would be a zero level of alcohol in her breastmilk 3 hours

and 4 minutes later (ie at 11:04 pm).

Source: Giglia & Binns 2006 (adapted from Ho, et al 2001).



#43 seayork2002

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:18 PM


Come again? original.gif

Sorry, if I BF I would just found it easier not to drink at all then have to work it out.


QUOTE (happynow @ 19/10/2012, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hope this helps





As a general rule, it takes 2 hours for an average woman to

get rid of the alcohol from 1 standard alcoholic drink and

therefore 4 hours for 2 drinks, 6 hours for 3 drinks and so on.

The following table gives more accurate times for mothers, depending

on their weight. To use this table follow these steps:

1. Find the body weight closest to your current body weight down

the left hand column.

2. Decide how many drinks you might have or have had from the

top row.

3. Read along the row where your weight appears and then down

the column that equals the number of drinks.

Approximate time taken for alcohol to be cleared from

breastmilk





(hours:mins)

Mother’s Number of standard drinks

Weight

(kg) 1 2 3 4 5 6

55 1:55 3:51 5:46 7:42 9:38 11:33

57 1:53 3:46 5:40 7:33 9:26 11:20

59 1:51 3:42 5:33 7:25 9:16 11:07

61 1:48 3:38 5:27 7:16 9:05 10:55

64 1:47 3:34 5:22 7:08 8:56 10:43

66 1:45 3:30 5:15 7:01 8:46 10:32

68 1:43 3:27 5:10 6:54 8:37 10:21

70 1:42 3:23 5:05 6:46 8:28 10:10

73 1:40 3:20 5:00 6:40 8:20 10:00

75 1:38 3:16 4:55 6:33 8:12 9:50

77 1:36 3:13 4:50 6:27 8:03 9:40

79 1:35 3:10 4:45 6:20 7:55 9:31

82 1:33 3:07 4:41 6:15 7:48 9:22

84 1:32 3:04 4:36 6:08 7:41 9:13

86 1:31 3:02 4:32 6:03 7:34 9:05

Note:





Time is taken from the start of drinking. It is assumed that alcohol is

cleared at a constant rate of 15 mg/dL and the height of the women is

162.5 centimetres.

Example 1:





For a 59 kg woman who has had 3 standard drinks, one after the

other, it would take 5 hours and 33 minutes from when she started drinking

for there to be no alcohol in her breastmilk. For a 70 kg woman drinking the

same amount, it would take 5 hours 5 minutes.

Example 2:





For an 84 kg woman drinking 2 standard drinks starting at

8:00 pm, there would be a zero level of alcohol in her breastmilk 3 hours

and 4 minutes later (ie at 11:04 pm).

Source: Giglia & Binns 2006 (adapted from Ho, et al 2001).




#44 PrincessPeach

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:20 PM

Not everyone processess alcohol at the same rate. If I had 10 drinks, even over 5 hours I would not be capable of looking after an infant, I'd even doubt I would be still standing.

Alcohol also tends to dehydrate the body, even in small amounts, so that would also be part of the reason you shouldn't feed it to an infant.

#45 RichardParker

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:26 PM

Thanks HappyNow, that seems like a sensible guide.  

So I (178cm tall and about 70 kgs) go out to dinner, have one glass of wine with my meal, then by the time I come home and breastfeed two or three hours later from the time I started drinking, not be doing any damage.  


#46 happynow

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:28 PM

It was just some info i found on the ABA  and i fully agree with you  it would just be easier not to drink at all .


edited because my computer is being a pain in the butt mad.gif

Edited by happynow, 19 October 2012 - 02:31 PM.


#47 #YKG

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:29 PM

I will say wine is fermented fruit so could be argued you just giving juice.

I think ppl need to use common sense. If breastfeeding either express before a tipple or no drink :$

#48 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

But will there be sultanas?

#49 CallMeFeral

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:32 PM

QUOTE (cabbagepatch @ 19/10/2012, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think these news stories might help to enlighten you OP

http://digitaljournal.com/article/325193


Wow!

QUOTE (seayork2002 @ 19/10/2012, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Scottish used to put Whiskey in babies bottles to calm them, they also put salt on porridge and deep fry Mars Bars, you point? original.gif says it all really  biggrin.gif


There also used to be alcohol in gripe water. Apparently used to work a treat on me...

QUOTE (Bluenomi @ 19/10/2012, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You have a good point, I didn't think of that. Though a long time member would know better but hey, we all need to get a fun somehow!


You might be right... but I actually thought it was kind of a valid question!

#50 Nofliesonme

Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:34 PM

I have coffee and chocolate in hand. Just organising child activitities this should be good. You can't be serious OP




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