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a letter from a fellow HG sufferer


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#51 babatjie

Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (SarahM72 @ 05/12/2012, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Australian (and British) women are subject to such long waiting times for public medical care, all the while this pair ponce around living a life of unimaginable luxury. Simply by virtue of an accident of birth.


You both have access to health care, clean water, education etc. You are both in the top percentage of fortunate people in the world.

#52 Froger

Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (casime @ 05/12/2012, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You could make the some claim about anyone with a trust fund.  How about those people whose parents left them a house?  Are they awful too?  Jealous?

BTW, Prince William is a search and rescue pilot.   I don't know where that fits in your little lexicon of who is oxygen worthy, but I happen to think that someone taking risks to save the lives of others rates pretty highly on my list.


Public money is supporting the royal family. That's the difference.

Pilots in the RAAF get paid around $53,000 after training. I assume Prince William's pay for being a pilot is comparable. I wouldn't mind if he was fully supporting himself on his pilot's pay - that would be fair enough.

But the fact is he lives a privilged life at the public expense. In addition Prince William gets to inherit one sixth of the land mass in the world and a huge behemoth of a church, if he simply continues to breath long enough.

Edited by SarahM72, 05 December 2012 - 04:01 PM.


#53 Tenacious C

Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

A HG sufferer here.

I didn't particularly like the blog post or find it that humerous.

But go easy on people like Pooks and others who have gone through HG who have a darker view.

HG sucks it really does, it is horrible for anyone to go through. However, there will be problems that most sufferes have that she will not have to endure including:

- stressing sbout the financial impact of this condition, the cost of the medication for one $8 per wafer, some people need to take this 3 x daily (that is $168 per week) and the cost of taking time off work if you don't have adequate sick leave

- accessing proper care, yes here in Australia many women don't get proper care for HG as there are doctors that do not understand the condition. The first doctor I saw dismissed me and I got 'crackered' told to eat crackers in the moring and take ginger.

- accessing treatment in hospital for fluids can take a long time, waiting 8+ hours in emergency before you get put on an IV is not pleasant.

Granted she will have pressures that ordinary people do not such as facing the paparazzi when you feel and probably look like hell.

Someone who has had HG will feel for anyone that has it and wouldn't wish it on anyone, but truthfully there is a small part of you that thinks 'my experiance would have been easier if I had those resources'.

#54 HRH Countrymel

Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

When I heard the news my thoughts were:

1) Damn you! (which is my immediate thought whenever anyone who isn't me is pregnant as I am a bitter old infertile!)

2) Thank goodness, maybe now with all the publicity that this will engender * darling friend* who has HG will finally have a bit of understanding from those around her instead of the "Oh she's SUCH a drama Queen.. I never carried on like that when I was pregnant.." rubbish she's been putting up with so far.

3) Poor girl, having to live out such a private thing in such a glare of public attention.

#55 tres

Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:57 PM

Sure, he's extraordinarily priviledged. But there are also plenty of very wealthy mass-land owners in the world with little or any scrutiny in to their activities, and who add nothing to the world in terms of charity work etc.





#56 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

I read another blog today on this exact topic which was excellent.

You couldn't give me enough money to be a member of that family.

I would love all that money for instant medical attention though rather than "you'll be right, millions done it before darling, it's not like you're the first woman to have a baby...blah blah blah"


#57 ~chiquita~

Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (ForsakenTruth @ 05/12/2012, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Scroll right to the very bottom, it's there sandwiched between leave a random comment on Fairfax and other Fairfax promos. If it wasn't pointed out to me (twice now) I would have missed all together. The article itself has no such link, neither does the EB homepage.

Ah, thank you. Finally found it, it's very easy to miss.

QUOTE (SarahM72 @ 05/12/2012, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As much as I dislike the other celebrities you name, there is an inherent difference between them and Kate. Kate has done nothing except get married to someone else who has done nothing except be born.

Simply by virtue of an accident of birth.

This post is disgusting.

#58 Froger

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (Bluenomi @ 05/12/2012, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, jealous much? I guess all their charity work and the fact William has a job count for nothing then?

She's sick, let her be. So she married a rich guy, does that mean she's open for you to abuse her?


Well obviously you haven't spent much time unpleasantly whiling away the hours at my local public hospital emergency deparment. It is akin to being in Dante's inner circle of hell, being surrounding by crying, vomiting, bleeding, desperate people. So forgive me if I am a teeny tiny bit jealous of our Princess Kate getting the finest of medical treatment immediately, no doubt at public expense. Obviously you are a saint, and I'm just a b**ch.  rolleyes.gif


QUOTE (~chiquita~ @ 05/12/2012, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This post is disgusting.

Why? Surely one should be able to comment on the inherent unfairness of having the bad luck of being born a poor subject, while our dearly beloved monarchs and their heirs get the best of everything, at our expense!

Edited by SarahM72, 05 December 2012 - 05:15 PM.


#59 casime

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE
But the fact is he lives a privilged life at the public expense. In addition Prince William gets to inherit one sixth of the land mass in the world and a huge behemoth of a church, if he simply continues to breath long enough.


Did you pay any attention during social studies at school?  Gosh I wish people would learn some basic facts before sprouting off.

The land, castles, crown jewels, etc, etc are all held in trust.  The Queen only owns Balmoral and Sandringham as a private land owner, neither of which are publicly funded.  



#60 protart roflcoptor

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

SarahM72, you have to let go of some of the anger you carry around about some issues (this is not the only one). Yes, righteous anger can achieve results in some situations, but bitterness and resentment will just eat you up and shrivel your passion into a dark ball of hate.

Educate, yes, implore, yes, empower, yes. But don't stoop to abusive rhetoric.

I feel nothing but sympathy for any woman who has gone through this condition. And as PPs have said, perhaps raising the profile will benefit many more women in the future.






#61 Jack's Mummy

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

I am a hyperemesis sufferer, having recently just returned to work after spending three months in hell.

I didn't like the blog post at all.

The only people who found it amusing I would bet have never suffered from hyperemesis.

After hearing that she was hospitalised all I thought was oh the poor thing I hope will takes good care of her.

Never once as per the blogger did it cross my mind to write a piece about how Kate will be ok because she will have wait staff to stab her in the bum. Or that she will be ok when she wants more children because she will have a nanny to help.

It doesn't matter how much money you have if the drugs do not work. Just because she can afford to spend thousands on clothes and can afford the best medical care does not mean she is not suffering just as much if not more than the rest of us who do suffer hyperemesis.

#62 adl

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Of course a post about suffering HG turns into a socialist debate / poor me whinge with nasty comments..EB you never fail me!!!

#63 Froger

Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

I have sympathy for anyone who is sick. (But quite frankly, like most people, if I don't personally know them, really it is all a bit removed). It is not fair to suggest that by me highlighting the disparities between the royal family and the ordinary citizen (as does Prue) that I do not care for a sick woman. I would think that I don't care any less or any more than the average person who only knows her from the media.

But now on another point that has been brought up in this thread. It is disingenuous to the extreme to suggest that it is just as difficult to be sick when one is poor and when one is rich. Or that one suffers just as much while ill when one is rich as when one is poor. Quite clearly that is not the case at all - as reflected in the disparate death and morbidity rates between the rich and the poor.

Edited by SarahM72, 05 December 2012 - 05:57 PM.


#64 Weavile

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (~chiquita~ @ 05/12/2012, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, thank you. Finally found it, it's very easy to miss.


This post is disgusting.


My interpretation of that post was a bit different. Unlike Kim/Kourtney/whoever, Will was born into this life, he did not choose the fame. Kate simply fell in love with someone who is famous. She did have to have an idea what she was getting herself in for, but she still isn't a celebrity the same way the others are.

I feel sorry for her. Pregnancy is stressful no matter what and I don't think all the money and good fortune in the world will take that away.

At least Prue didn't have to deal with idiots like this Radio hosts impersonate Queen.

#65 purple_daisy

Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

As a two-time HG sufferer who begged her husband many times to "just kill me", I read this article and thought to myself how refreshing it was to read something that didn't equate hyperemesis with run of the mill morning sickness.

Whether you liked the article or not, I think it is wonderful that hyperemesis is now being discussed, blogged about, tweeted about, and people are learning about what seems to have been a very misunderstood condition.

#66 Cath42

Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:33 PM

I have a very good friend who had HG with her first and only pregnancy 17 years ago. I saw what it did to her. It laid her flat on her back for 9 months. It ruined her teeth. It saw to it that she only ever had one child. She even threw up during her labour. Imagine throwing up while trying to push out a baby. Imagine throwing up while learning to breastfeed. Her HG only gradually went away after she'd had her baby. She threw up for the last time when he was 7 weeks old.

If anything positive can come of this for the Duchess of Cambridge (and I doubt she'll think of it as a positive for a long time), it is that maybe people will start to take HG seriously. Maybe people will understand that it is not a psychological condition and it is not morning sickness: it is an emergency situation that can go on for up to a year.

I feel sorry for her. I don't care if she has access to vast wealth, wonderful medical treatment and servants to look after her. Motherhood is about the only thing she'll ever do that will define her life. She can't engage in paid work, despite the fact that she has a university degree. She can't be her own person. She is forever beholden to the traditions of the family she married into, and her job is to look swish, cut ribbons at functions and produce children. Thankfully, the Royal family is becoming ever more enlightened and she might be able to stop at one child. But probably not. She'll probably have to have two. I have no doubt her husband loves her and would walk over hot coals for her, but he can't do anything about her life options. And yes, she chose this life. She didn't have to marry Prince William. But she did, and motherhood was going to be the only thing she could do on her own terms in her own way. And now she's sick as buggery and she's going to hate every minute of the next 9 months. It's all been destroyed by HG. And she'll either be hounded by the press or kept secluded while the press speculate that she's "gone all Diana" and "can't cope with anything". It's all gone to hell in a handbasket. THAT'S why I feel sorry for her.

#67 FeralProudSwahili

Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:11 PM

This article is poorly written. Quite embarrassing really.

#68 Elemental

Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:25 PM

2 times hyperemesis survivor here, who thought Prue's satirical article (and not actual letter to Catherine) was funny. Hyperemesis sucks. It doesn't matter if you have servants, a gazillion dollar wardrobe or have to catch a ferry to work. It just does. And people calling it morning sickness sucks even more. Doesn't mean you can't lift a wry smile if you've been there before.

Prue, you're not alone. The idea of being pregnant and sick again is terrifying to me.

#69 jayskette

Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:30 PM

So you are all saying that HG ISN'T "acute morning sickness"? So now we have to say people suffering from myocardial infractions instead of a simpler more understood "heart attack"?

#70 Elemental

Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:38 PM

A heart attack is the colloquial term for a myocardial infarction (though infraction made me smile) and not minor angina. Morning sickness is the trivial nausea that a good portion of women get in pregnancy. It's not the same thing, it's barely on the same spectrum.

#71 cinnabubble

Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

Wow, it's like the royalists sent out an SOS around here.

I read the blog post twice and I can't quite understand the vitriol directed towards its author. Maybe it's because some people struggle with understatement and a light satirical touch, or maybe they're just  a bit hypersensitive to any perceived slights towards royalty. Maybe they just have their literal-pants hoisted high above their literal-waists. Very odd.

#72 mewsings

Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (purple_daisy @ 05/12/2012, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whether you liked the article or not, I think it is wonderful that hyperemesis is now being discussed, blogged about, tweeted about, and people are learning about what seems to have been a very misunderstood condition.


+ 1

QUOTE (Elemental @ 05/12/2012, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A heart attack is the colloquial term for a myocardial infarction (though infraction made me smile) and not minor angina. Morning sickness is the trivial nausea that a good portion of women get in pregnancy. It's not the same thing, it's barely on the same spectrum.



Absolutely !  I watched my best friend go through her one and only HG pregnancy and honestly, hope I never see another woman go through that ever.  I held bowls for while she vomited blood after 7 weeks in hospital from nausea so violent she tore parts of her oesphagus.  She was fed through a drip, lost huge amounts of weight, some teeth, her dignity and has liver damage.  It's not in any way, shape or form like morning sickness.

I also didn't like the tone of Prue's blog - mainly because I think the attempt at humour may actually undermine the point she was trying to make - that HG is not trivial, or a laughing matter.  Treatment is expensive and many women don't get access to it until almost at crisis point.  That's what needs to change.

#73 Procrastinator5000

Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (cinnabubble @ 05/12/2012, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, it's like the royalists sent out an SOS around here.

I read the blog post twice and I can't quite understand the vitriol directed towards its author. Maybe it's because some people struggle with understatement and a light satirical touch, or maybe they're just  a bit hypersensitive to any perceived slights towards royalty. Maybe they just have their literal-pants hoisted high above their literal-waists. Very odd.


I have to say, I had the same reaction as cinnabubble. I can't understand it either.

I am SO sorry for what Kate is going through, and anyone with HG! It sounds like a complete and utter nightmare.

#74 scooty

Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:19 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 05/12/2012, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HG is hell on a stick. And we don't get adequate treatment of it. I was treated like a sook or a lunatic by most medical professionals. I was unable to work, but had to shell out at least $100 a week on medication which is not subsidized, to avoid becoming so sick that I needed constant hospitalization. I was deeply depressed, but offered zero support for my mental health. I was never referred to a psych or social worker for support. No one in my life was given information about the illness so they could understand how to help. I was unable toay rent and had to give up a job I loved, but was simply unable to do, so I could sleep on my mum's couch and try to talk myself out of termination. My experience is on the less extreme end of the spectrum of HG experiences.

How about we talk about that.


I totally agree with pooks on this one. HG is widely misunderstood by medical professionals as mere morning sickness and is not taken seriously enough. I myself am a 2 time survivor of it and, as it has been only 9 months since birth, am still emotional about how it has affected my last 5 years. I desperatley wish that I was able to be supported more by my doctors, with medicine freely given and more support services, counselling etc. HG was barely touched on in my discussions with the doctors, it was most times brushed aside when I brought it up and was in tears as I drove home from doctors visits.

I could barely get off the couch most days and eating and drinking were near impossible, let alone going to work. I looked back at my sick record, now that Im back at work and Im so sad at how many days off I needed to take. I was just truely unable to work.

While Kate may be able to have more time off than the regular pregnant woman, I still feel terribly for her, as this is a hugely underestimated illness. The media hype already surrounding this is massive and shes not even out of hospital. Poor girl.

If anything good comes out of this, I hope that there is more understanding of what HG actually is. My friends and family, although sympathetic, could not understand how mentally challenging it was to even get out of bed most days, so I got very little help from them.

I now have 2 beautiful sons, but would I think I would truely have a mental breakdown if I had to go through HG again (and I call it HG, before a pregnancy! lol). Also the effects on my body are lasting reminders of HG. Terribly bad teeth, constant reflux due to the vomitting for 10 months (as it went on past the baby being born) each pregnancy, Im sure I have done some damage to my stomach and oesphagus lining sad.gif  

On the article, I read it a few times. While not annoying to me, I didn't really see the point. Our lives are so totally different. She may get tons of support from her family and friends or they may just not understand. She will however not have to work (as many women have the opportunity to do in this world) of which I say good on her, its just how the dice landed for her.

Either way, atm I feel sorry for anyone who is going through it. I wish her the best of luck and hope that she gets all the love and support from the public and the media stop saying that she should eat crackers and drink ginger tea, hahaha



#75 busy_bee

Posted 06 December 2012 - 04:57 AM

Slightly off topic....

But for those with wrecked teeth from HG it may be worth trying 'tooth mousse'.
My dentist gave me a tube of it when I went and saw him just after DS was born. I told him about the HG and he said then he expected enamel damage, which I had a great deal of.

Apparently, professional wine tasters use it a lot as well.

I know it's just my experience, but it helped my teeth




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