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Alkaline for health - gimmick to sell magic water?
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#1 Excentrique Feral

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

I've seen a lot of articles that basically say the western diet is really acidic, which makes your body acidic, which leads to a lot of diseases from cancer to diabetes.

I did think it was just hype BUT I have developed stomach issues. I'm only mid 20's and I get shocking heartburn, I've had a possible ulcer, and I'm now on high dose acid blockers which don't always help. I have improved with removing milk from my diet but I'm still really sensitive to what I eat and it sucks!

Was complaining to mum about my aching legs the other day, evidently this is a symptom of too much acid.

So EB, should I overhaul my diet to one of bananas and avocado?

#2 erindiv

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

Can you link to any of said articles? I'd be interested to see them

IMO, anything that peddles something as a "cure-all" is generally a gimmick.

#3 FeralProudSwahili

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

Like anything, balance is the key. It makes sense to me that an excess of anything will cause problems. As for alkaline water- sounds gimmicky to me.

#4 Coffeegirl

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:39 PM

ACA says alkaline diets are a fad.  biggrin.gif   http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8588722

As to all those waters with added Vitamins and minerals etc.  they don't do anything for you at all.  

If it is something that has only just started bothering you and you've just started using acid blockers then tha leg achesmay be related to your meds.  Your should speak to you GP about it.

#5 Excentrique Feral

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/arti...body_too_acidic

Achey legs is only an occasional thing and I've been like this for 6 months.

#6 =Magpie=

Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

I personally don't buy into any of this sort of stuff.
That said, a friend of mine had a 21yo daughter who was diagnosed with end stage metastatic liver cancer and given 3-6 months to live. They completely over hauled their diets, got fully into the no sugar diet, alkaline water and other alternative therapies.
She recently passed away but it was more than 5 years after her initial diagnosis, so I do think it helped them.

#7 kay11

Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

Gimmick. I had ache-y legs and other issues (non-itchy hives, cold sensitivity etc) and ended up being diagnosed with an auto-inflammatory syndrome. Get other things checked out first by the specialists and GP.

#8 suline

Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

Umm where are they measuring the acidity/alaklinity in the body? The blood? -The pH range they mention (7 - 7.5) is wildly inaccurate, and at either end of that range you would be very sick and/or close to dead.

I think they are confused about the definition of alkalosis too:I
QUOTE
f our pH levels increase the body’s systems become compromised, causing inflammation and lowered immunity.
An increased pH IS Alkalosis, a decreased pH is Acidosis.




Crockofsh*te.

Edited by suline, 05 January 2013 - 11:12 PM.


#9 purplekitty

Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

It's bollocks.

The body maintains a very tight acid/base homeostasis.
It is very difficult to disrupt that and if it happens you are very ill.

#10 kay11

Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

I have chronic inflammation and it is actually the immune system turned ON, not suppressed. Inflammation is one of the first defence parts of the immune system.

I have to take a daily medication that suppresses my immune system to reduce the inflammation.

Causing inflammation and suppressing the immune system at the same time makes no sense.


#11 Cherubs

Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:56 PM

I have no idea about this water, but I have acid reflux, I have had surgery which helped a lot but have found slippery elm tablets work really well, perhaps it is a placebo effect, but I don't care as long as it works LOL, if it helps my mind tell my body to get the **** over itself it is all good.

#12 Phascogale

Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:27 AM

I had very achy legs (and hips).  Turned out I had a vitamin D deficiency and supplementation helped.

There is something to be said for a low sugar, low chemical diet and diet can make a big impact on peoples health.  But I'm not convinced with this kind of diet.  I'd probably be looking elsewhere.

#13 Sweet like a lemon

Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:29 AM

Fad. OP you need to see a dietitian. Dairy is pretty important especially for young women so unless you are lactose intolerant I would cut down rather than cut out. Processed carbs are horrible for people suffering heartburn so I would cut out all pastries, white bread, cakes and processed foods and increase the fresh vege, fruit and natural grains.

#14 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:15 AM

With the milk, its worth trying A2 or one of the similar types of milk. The different proteins in that milk make a difference to some people.

#15 Excentrique Feral

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:23 AM

I know about the acid-base balance in the blood, its the gastrointestinal system I'm thinking of.

I've been to the doctors, had a gastroscopy. I have an atrophic duodenum and signs of irritation from reflux, but otherwise fine. Doctor is not worried and happy to just leave me on acid suppressants. She knows I have cut out milk and doesn't seem concerned. Been thinking of giving the A2 a try.

#16 SeaPrincess

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:30 AM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 05/01/2013, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's bollocks.

The body maintains a very tight acid/base homeostasis.
It is very difficult to disrupt that and if it happens you are very ill.

Exactly what I was going to stay.  Oh and "the body" includes the GI tract.  If you're not happy with your doctor's treatment, seek a second opinion and, as a pp suggested, maybe consult a reputable dietician.

#17 Stellajoy

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:36 AM

Woo water!

#18 CountryFeral

Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:43 AM

If you want to drink alkaline water add a teaspoon of bicarb to it.

At least you'll get some bubbles?

#19 suline

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

QUOTE
know about the acid-base balance in the blood, its the gastrointestinal system I'm thinking of.


Okay, well the normal healthy GI system pH ranges from a pH of 1-2 in the stomach, and 6.5 in the small intestine,and it doesn't reach 7.5 until the terminal ileum. It still doesn't match the pH range they provided. You need an acidic stomach and most of your intestine to function.




#20 red_squirrel

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:43 PM

Oh this is the funniest thing I've heard for a while. Alkaline water...bah hah hah.
It's probably being spruiked now to catch people on a new year health blitz.

#21 Katie_bella

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

Oh my lody this is rubbish. (mind you i wouldn't take ACA as a reputable source of investigative journalism either!)

PP have given you the information to prove this is rubbish.

Why cut out dairy? If i wanted to "alkalise" my diet i would be cutting out foods with high acid content, think tomatoes, citrus etc.

Sore hips/thigh bones are often a sign of low calcium or vit D levels (the calcium leaches out of the large bones causing aching) which will be exacebated by not having dairy.

As a pp has said, alkalised water will be water with a small amount of bicarb soda in it....save yourself a few $$ and try it at home first if you still think it's worth it.

#22 Excentrique Feral

Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:59 PM

I have cut out dairy because I end up feeling sick, swollen and gasey afterwards for a full 24hrs. It sucks and I miss chocolate.

#23 purplekitty

Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (Excentrique @ 05/01/2013, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen a lot of articles that basically say the western diet is really acidic, which makes your body acidic, which leads to a lot of diseases from cancer to diabetes.
The theory(crap) behind this is the systemic effects of an acidic diet.
It is well known quackery in regards to cancer.
Another cancer tragedy in the making

QUOTE (Excentrique @ 06/01/2013, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know about the acid-base balance in the blood, its the gastrointestinal system I'm thinking of.



#24 Lissome

Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (purplekitty @ 06/01/2013, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The theory(crap) behind this is the systemic effects of an acidic diet.
It is well known quackery in regards to cancer.
Another cancer tragedy in the making


Wow, that is a very powerful and upsetting read. It makes me so angry.




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