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#51 robot sm

Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:42 AM

Hi everyone!

Wow, some of us were really spoiled for mothers day! As we all should be... original.gif I've been reading along but only just sorted out logging in on my phone.

Feeding - you'd think it would be simple, put baby on boob, go for it. But no! Reading about everyone's experiences has helped me a lot. It's been a bumpy ride for me, but things seem settled now; 6 feeds in 24 hours, sharp let down pains and random stabby nipple pains a few times each day. I still have mixed feelings, and can't wait to be bottle feeding, but I am sticking with it for now. We got past 6 weeks, now my goal is 3 months.

Sleeping - anyone have advice on day sleeps? DS sleeps 2 hrs + at a time during the day if he's on my lap/in the sling, but if I settle him to sleep and put him in his cot its only 15 minutes, and when he wakes up he's really hard to settle again. He sleeps fine in the cot at night, usually wakes once between 10pm and 6am. Self settling doesn't work yet; day or night he needs to be rocked to sleep by DH or me.

#52 mytimenow

Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:40 PM

Hi Robot SM - I am no guru (first time Mum) but my LO would not settle during the day as well.  We have started a really good night routine which strangley has helped his day routine. My LO is 8 weeks tomorrow.

My LO won't sleep in his bassinet during the day, but I have a safe spot on the couch where he can't roll or get caught up in the pillows.  I rock him, hold him until he is sleepy, but not nodding off/asleep and put him down awake.  He starts to grissle every time and I just put my hand on his chest and gently ssssshhhh him, then walk away. I let him grissle (ie make noise and little cry) before I go back to him, if he cries a full cry then I go to him and sit with him (I don't pick him up) and just reassure him by rubbing his chest and shhhhing him again.  It doesn't always work of course and sometimes he is upset and I just have to pick him up and cuddle him.  It takes a few times but he eventually goes down.

It is really hard with a bub that wants to be held/rocked to sleep.  I was advised to try and break the habit early if I could as he got older it would be harder - so i have really persevered to get out of the rocking/habit.  Some bubs I guess just need to be held as well.

Good luck, it is so frustrating and tiring if they won't go down during the day.

#53 Serapod

Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

Best of luck Simone you have done an amazing job to get this far!!! I too would like to get to 3 months of BM. I think I will get there as Ezra is 2.5mths old ans I haven't started really weaning off the pump yet and I have about 2 litres in the freezer. You are lucky you have your baby on the breast original.gif  keep up the great work!


I think I might be depressed. I feel isolated and am wondering if my issues aren't just feeding him. I have a meeting with a mental health mchn on 30th who is coming to my house and will be at the next mothers group on Wednesday .... I just feel so.. Flat. Sometimes joyous, but sometimes not.

#54 redmum77

Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

Serapod - oh hon. Big hugs, I hope you get some help from the nurse. Depression is very lonely, talking is good.

I hope Katey is ok, haven't heard since the birth really.

It's so cold here - I love the electric blanket in the wee hours of the morning...

#55 mytimenow

Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:13 PM

Serapod - I'm with Redmum, it is good to see you are getting some help, that is a really positive step.
Redmum, I hear you, it's sooooo cold here too, took bubs and the dog for a walk this morning and brrrrr. The gas heating is on (hate to think what my bill will be at the end of winter).


#56 redmum77

Posted 18 May 2013 - 09:28 AM

Mytimenow - I'm only in Brisbane too lol

So at  8 weeks did yours bubs calm down? I feel like in the last week things have just gone all wonky. She woke up today chirpy as can be, and its exactly 8weeks! I just hope she can start being more settled or ill have to get a plan to cope. How many feeds a day are you all doing?

Have to dash
Cloria how was the physio?

#57 Cloria

Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

Redmum - at 8wks Chloe seems to be going through a growth spurt or something and is only happy for short periods. Since birth I've only been BFing on one side at a time and I think this week she has needed both, but it's taken me 4 days to figure that out!
I have been trying to get her feeding 3hrly instead of 2hrly but if she doesnt stay awake long after a feed then it's on again at 2hrs almost to the minute

The physio was good I've been twice now original.gif They were able to answer much more of my questions re. post CS as well. I had a 5.5cm split at the first appt which she told me was on the larger side but not alarming. They gave me some tubigrip to wear around my midsection every day till I'm 12wks and some exercises to do. I saw them a wk later to get an update and some more exercises and I'd already gone down 1cm which they seemed to be rather happy with. I can already feel it's stronger. Still weaker than pre preg, but definitely getting better.
They also told me about pelvic floor prolapse which I'd never heard of! I haven't had any incontinence probs so I am hopefully in the clear but I was quite surprised. I also found out not being able to hold onto your wind is a weak pelvic floor muscle - didn't know that either! Mine haven't been escaping but I've definitely had a lot more! Is that related? When I was pregnant I could blame any changes on pregnancy, now I'm not so sure haha

#58 redmum77

Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:54 PM

Cloria - great news about your muscles getting stronger - you've inspired me to wear my tubigrip more. Such a quick recovery you are making! Also relieved your feeds have been 2-3 hours apart. I wondered if I was the only one with two hours gap. Dd has a bunch if short maps in the day and feeds end up all close together. School runs mess it all up too lol!

Dh is away today so it's me alone to get three kids to bed - yikes! Ds is super tired after a late night last night, hope that doesn't make things worse. He sang in his first concert for school today - so cute!!! They ran really late but it was worth the chaos it caused to our feeding routine.

Study bug we are using a heater and night, a bamboo muslin wrap and wool baby blanket on top. Everything is breathable and her feet are free to kick off the blanket. Another thread but I've answered here!

#59 mytimenow

Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:00 AM

Serapod - I hope you got a chance to speak to someone and are feeling better.

Cloria - sounds like things went well at the physio - I had to laugh as I also didn't know that wind was a Pelvic Floor Muscle (PFM) issue.  I had my first physio yesterday and it appears my PFM has taken a pounding, my age (40) hasn't helped the issue.  I am on a regime of exercises to 'tighten' things up which will hopefully help with the uhmmmm....wee issues!  I am not allowed to run for 3 months because of the risk of the prolapse, it is definatley something to take seriously as it happened to a girlfriend of mine.  The good news is that my abdominal seperation is almost closed at the bottom and with some work will close at the top.

Redmum77 - I am not sure that DS settled at 8 weeks, I have been following the 'wonder weeks' and developmental leaps, not sure how much truth is in it all but it makes me feel better if he is a bit grissly and according to them is going through a developmental leap.  

Redmum77 you asked about feeding, my DS (9 weeks today) is feeding 7 times in a 24 hour period, I don't think he far off from extending his feeds though and us going to 6.  A typical day is feed at 7:30am, 10:30am, 1:30pm, 4:30-5:00pm, 6:45pm feed (just before going to bed) and then a 10:00pm dream feed, he wakes between 3-4am for one more feed.

AFM I had a very flat/down day yesterday, felt lonely and very much in 'groundhog' day, but I used that time to book in a Mum and Bub fitness class (that I am allowed to do given the PFM issues) and arranged a coffee with a girlfriend who also just had a bub.  I felt better just proactively doing something about it.

Hope everyone is travelling well.

#60 Serapod

Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:20 AM

mytimenow I am having a special mchn coming to my house next thursday who specialises in psychiatry; she was a psychiatric nurse who went to midwifery or something and I met her at mothers group yesterday but we didn't get to 'meet' properly. She seems like a nice lady but I was feeling really down.

Tuesday night my R side (mastitis/blocked duct prone) I'm pushing to 6 hours between expressing, I expressed at midnight, got out the usual 120ml but it still felt like there was heaps of milk inside, barely made a dent to soften, tried the hand pump and heat, but couldn't move it. Woke at 6am, really full, expressed 120ml again, still engorged but again can't remove it all. Pretty solid again 3 hours later, and then at 12noon, expressed 120ml with heat and electric pump, remembered the first time I had mastitis the ABA recommended massage/vibration and previously in my desperation, I bought a handheld massager, and used that on the hard bit and got out another 80ml!! Managed to soften the breast, thank goodness! Still very tender, but soft again now after 2 more expressions, getting out 120 as the usual again, so I think it just crapped itself!

Ezra started to settle in the 8-9th weeks and only really is distressed now when he has a tummy ache. Still sleeping from 10-11pm overnight til 6-7am. He is 12 weeks tomorrow!

I think this weekend we'll go buy cot sheets and begin the transition to his room - he is getting too long for his bassinet!

He is getting 200ml breast milk every 3.5-4hours and if I don't have enough BM, a 210ml bottle of formula at 9-10pm for his overnight.

Cloria, so glad to see you are getting good help from the physio for your issues and awesome its making a difference for you!

redmum, how is your feeding going? is your breastmilk supply still relatively adequate with the mixed feeding? are you expressing milk at all or just BF with formula topups?

off to mums to see her and my sister and her son today. its lovely and sunny down in Melbourne so I think we'll get out for a walk! Have a great day!



#61 redmum77

Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:59 AM

Serapod - far out that's a lot of milk you got out, your poor booby! Glad the massager worked. I can't express at all, but I keep a constant supply, small as it is... It helps if I feed her to sleep and she sucks for ages, just once or twice a day. My supply drops really easily (stress, busy, dehydrated) and I rarely get tht full feeling... We are such opposites! I hope your appt next Thursday goes well, she sounds like the right person. It's so hard to talk and be honest, especially when sometimes I found that at the time I was happier (for bring out or to just be talking), unlike the rest of the time. If that makes sense.

Mytimenow our feeds seem similar, but it seems to change very day (the times), averaging out though. I got anew app, the sprout one, to help keep track for a while. Hope feel better today hon original.gif

I'm the opposite and am glad to be having a quiet day 'off'. Only the school run and no visitors or functions at school etc. ahhhh relax....

#62 Serapod

Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:00 PM

Red, could you try pumping not to express but to stimulate the breasts more when she naps or something to help with keeping the supply stable?
I am looking forward to the appointment with her but my days are so.. I can't know how I will feel. I'm not sure if it is just still babyblues or if it could be PPD. I feel like the hormones should have balanced out by now?
I got a manduca baby carrier a while ago but handy used it until tonight... Was good! Nice and comfortable and Ezra fell asleep after getting his farts out. original.gif
My boobs both seem to have recovered and are easing into 6hrly expressions, thank goodness. When expressing goes well I feel guilty for stopping.. But when even the slightest thing goes wrong I get so discouraged and depressed.

#63 Serapod

Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

How do you deal with feelings of isolation and loneliness? I find myself withdrawing inside myself unless I am with people, and all my reactions and emotions feel so.. Faked and distanced from reality.  
Dinner time with inlaws. Back later.

#64 redmum77

Posted 26 May 2013 - 07:13 PM

Serapod - search for 'hyperbole and a half' it's a blog and his most recent post is about depression - I think you'll relate. The descriptions are perfect. Faking emotions... And  all the other bits. It's also helpful to tell the difference between being Depressed, and being sad. Both need fixing really but in different ways. Once school starts there's rarely a lonely moment, but that's a long way off. Have you talked to your hubby? Your appt is on Thursday yes?

#65 Serapod

Posted 27 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

Red, I've already seen that hyperbole post original.gif I related very strongly to it. From my experience which began 10years ago.
I haven't spoken to my husband but I'm sure he knows something is wrong.... I don't know how to bring it up. I do tell him about the appointment (yes it's on Thursday) and my fears it's something more than just baby blues.. So you know how long that is supposedly to last? But my issue is it doesn't feel like depression so I'm really confused. A few weeks ago I felt better than I did, I feel like now I have more time to dwell on things but.. I really shouldn't feel like this, my baby is "perfect" he doesn't cry, he sleeps a lot and is easy to put to bed, I had a very easy straightforward birth.. Basically the opposite experience of my sister, but still I feel crap.
If there is something more than just baby blues I don't want to go on meds until after I've stopped expressing, I've worked too hard at this to stop giving him the milk so close to stopping.

I really should go sort out ezra's room.. It's a mess and he is nearly out of his bassinet. Thanks for your advice and always listening to me, it does help, but doesn't fix things.

#66 redmum77

Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:35 AM

Baby blues last about two weeks, so it's not that. Ah my iPad is typing so slow, bub awake, back iñ a bit

#67 redmum77

Posted 27 May 2013 - 10:20 AM

Back... Serapod - nope there's not a lot anyone can do to make things better. Well a psychologist maybe. There are meds that are safe for bf, but its a personal choice. I can acknowledge your fish are dead though wink.gif  My D-MER reaction makes me so very miserable, intense homesickness is most what it's like. But as dd feeds less it doesn't take over quite as much now.

Dd has grown out of 000! Very long bubba...

#68 robot sm

Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

Serapod, I'm thinking of you!  I have an anxiety/depression history, and the way I feel now is just completely different to anything I've ever been through. If you know something doesn't feel right within yourself, my only advice is to share how you're feeling. It's taken me 6 weeks of being fine for a few days then having massive meltdowns to actually talk to the child + family health nurse, my doctor and get a referral on to Tresillian. Even an 'easy' baby is hard work. You're with him all day, tied to his schedule, and for months and months the most interaction you get back from him is smiles and gurgles. That's quite a change from adult interaction, and a huge adjustment. I hope everything goes well for you on Thursday, and you find your piece of corn soon original.gif

#69 mytimenow

Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

Serapod - we are all thinking of you, you are doing all the right things and most of all talking to a professional. Keep talking and reaching out, because with time and the right help it will get better. biggrin.gif

#70 mytimenow

Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

Robot SM - how's the settling going now, is it on the improve??


#71 robot sm

Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

We tried settling him into his cot during the day and tried patting/shh-ing him to sleep, but neither was really successful. It was getting me more stressed so we gave up after 2 days and one very frustrated mum! I spoke to the child health centre nurse about it today, and we came to the agreement that Rory is still a bit young for such a big change. We'll keep trying occasionally, but not stress about it. No harm is done when he naps in my arms, and at least I do get to rest a bit. I've also been referred for a visit from Tresillian, so they can help advise on sleep/settling problems and make sure I'm ok as well.

#72 Serapod

Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:34 PM

Simone I hope you can get Rory's sleeping and settling sorted out soon! I heard for bassinet to cot transition to put the bassinet into the cot for a few nights to have a familiarity to it then phase it out.

#73 robot sm

Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:27 PM

Hey, its a ghost town in here! I think we broke the thread wink.gif

#74 redmum77

Posted 08 June 2013 - 04:50 AM

Hmm where is everyone? Are people having heaps of trouble? Or none?

#75 SarahVandooo

Posted 15 June 2013 - 01:23 PM

Maybe I'll try to re-awaken this thread lol.
Wendy is absolutely thriving! Doing new things everyday!!startin just the other day she is having full in laughing fits!! It's adorable!!

She is now fully formula fed ad my milk completely dried up sad.gif but atleast now I have more time with her instead of expressing and breastfeeding which would take upto 2.5 hours to complete!!

Absolutely loving motherhood!! I really don't wanna go back to work now that I think about it, she's really turning into her own little person and I don't wanna miss anything!!! Wish it were that easy!!!

Hope everyone is enjoying motherhood as much as me!!!!




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