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#1 *Alina*

Posted 17 March 2005 - 01:11 PM

Hi Everyone!

Just wondering if anyone is interested in forming a thread for holistic/pro-choice/natural minded mums.

I know that there are a lot of us out there, who in the quest to discover the best way to care for the health of our children, have turned to a more natural (supposedly 'alternative') way of caring for our families health, for eg: chiropractic, naturopathy, hoemeopathy, non-vaccination, organics etc.

Anyway, if you would like to introduce yourselves, and share your parenting experiences with other like-minded mums, jump on board!  original.gif

Alina 23 "Mummy to a very well 'adjusted' baby with a chiropractor daddy"
DH Chris 28
DS Whyatt 22/9/04
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#2 ~Zoe~

Posted 17 March 2005 - 03:50 PM

Hello!
Just thought I'd respond, but I'm not sure if I fit the bill.

I have 3 kids. I breastfed the first two until they were 17 months old (was tandem feeding for a few months!), and I will continue to bf DS for a while longer yet.

My first DD was immunised up until she turned one, and by then I had done a bit of research and decided I didn't want to vaccinate my kids at such a young age. DD#2 had one lot of vax. DS has had none. I may get them immunised to some things further on down the track, but I'm still undecided.

My kids are all pretty healthy. I prefer to adopt a wait and see attitude when they are sick, rather than running off to the dr all the time. They rarely have panadol (maybe once a year for serious things- such as when DD#2 had a bad ear infection).

I use cloth nappies, but I don't know if that's relevant!

I try to buy organic where I can (a bit hard as I live in the country), and I use mainly natural skincare etc products.

Ummmmm- is that the kind of stuff you were after?
Hope to see lots more replies to this thread!



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#3 divinity

Posted 17 March 2005 - 07:32 PM

Hi, Iv got 4 children and we are talking number 5.

Iv been studying to be a midwife but am on leave(baby). Iv always been passionate about birth after attending my lil sisters birth when I was 12.

My four children are not immunised, various reasons that boil down to the research that is and isnt available.

I was raised by what you would call alternative parents and rebelled by trying to be ultra conservative. My feminist mother is only just coming to terms with the fact that I want to be the main carer and my husband the bread winner.

I dont know what other things you want to know from us? My children are attending a Steiner school and love it but if youve read any of my other posts youll see that I am having trouble paying for this great system of education and am looking at alternatives.

Feel free to pm or ask any more details.
me 27
dh 34
ds 7
dd 4
dd 3
dd 10mnths

#4 *Alina*

Posted 21 March 2005 - 02:14 PM

Hi Girls,

Great to hear from you.  Please don't worry whether or not you perfectly 'fit the bill' everyone is welcome!! I was just hoping for a thread where Mothers (and Dads) with a slighly more 'alternative' parenting style could share ideas and experiences, and just basically befriend and support each other.

ZOE- I would love to hear about your experiences with breastfeeding into toddlerhood. I am currently looking into this and would love to feed DS for a year or two longer, but have found that there is quite a stigma attached to this. I am also working towards using cloth nappies soon (have bought a whole heap of fitted ones but they dont fit DS yet). Anyway, great to hear from you! original.gif

DIVINITY- so you are a nurse too then? I am currently doing a grad dip in health promotion. I always thought I would do middy, but ATM I don't know if I will ever go back to work, I love being a SAHM. I am so envious of your large family! I would love lots of kids but DH only wants two. I will have to keep working on him! wink.gif
        

Alina 23 "Mummy to a very well 'adjusted' baby with a chiropractor daddy"
DH Chris 28
DS Whyatt 22/9/04
<a href="http://lilypie.com"><img src="http://lilypie.com/baby1/050922/3/15/1/+10" alt="Lilypie Baby Birthday" border="0" /></a>  

This message was edited by AlinaJane on Monday, 21 March 2005 @ 3:17 PM

#5 morrigan

Posted 21 March 2005 - 05:05 PM

Hi girls,
Would love to join in this discussion.
Have 2 boys and just found out we are expecting No 3!!
I have always been a bit alternative but in past 2 years more so, last year whilst pregnant i used a lot of herbal and homeopathic remedies and still do now on myself and DS.
Do lots of recycling, make own laundry powder and cleaning product as i detest chemicals in the house, buy organic as much as possible and try to help look after mother earth as much as i can.

Would love to be able to swop tips ideas etc with you girls.

peace and love

Morrigan xxx

#6 reachforthestars

Posted 21 March 2005 - 08:05 PM

Can I join?
I have a 6 month old dd and am very much the 'hippy' in my IRL mothers group. It gets pretty lonely. I have started vaccing my daughter against some things, but only some. I breast feed,cloth nappy, baby wear, co-sleep, use a natropath and chiropractor for my daughter and basically do most things against mainstream. Like I said, I've yet to meet anyone like me IRL and it gets pretty lonely so this is a great thread!

Amy

#7 toby&millarsmum

Posted 22 March 2005 - 07:10 AM

HI
I'm Katie.  Mum to 2 boys in Brissy.  I am very interested in all things natural and have a hard time with people making out that if it's natural it must be "bad."!!?
We grow veges, compost, eat nearly 100% organic, don't vax, cloth nappy, co-sleep, don't use chemicals in the home (I have even got DH washing his hair with bicarb , vinegar and egg!)  I come from a very mainstream family and all these things are seen as weird and no one will even talk about them.
I avoid doctors at all costs and prefer to use homeopathy and naturopathy when I can.
Hope to talk soon!

Katie

#8 Danii

Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:24 PM

Hi Alina

I too would love to join this thread. I am currently expecting my first bundle of joy and am planning to bring him/her up using "alternative" or non mainstream ways.

I'm qualified in aromatherapy and will be using only natural products on bubs skin..as i try to do with myself, as well as making my own lotions and balms etc.  

I am also attempting to start using & growing organic foods as well as natural therapies for illnesses etc.

Haven't made a decision on the vaccination side of things yet. Although it's a long way off, i've also been seriously thinking about the local Steiner school for our child also.

Anyway, thats a bit about me...looking forward to getting to know you all original.gif

Dannii

#9 ArieleMoonfire

Posted 23 March 2005 - 10:41 AM

WEll I co sleep, sling wear, extend breastfeed. My almost 4 year old son is still breastfeeding.  I'm also expresssing & bottlefeeding ebm because my daughter has a cleft palate so is unable to maintain a latch. I buy organic food when I can afford it, which isnt often admittedly. I'm a strong attachment parenting advocate, which makes me quite alternative in the parenting world sadly. I have delayed vaccination, and use natural and homeopathic remedies as a first option always. I'm a pagan/wiccan also. I believe in gentle discipline, parenting as non coercively as possible (very hard with a 3 year old lol but I try) and gentle birth. I'm investigation various education options too as am uncomfortable with the thoguht of a mainstream school.

#10 Insane By Default

Posted 23 March 2005 - 11:51 AM

Woohoo - like minded people.

Myself and DH are first time parents to a hungry piglet (Ned). We're currently using disposables but will be attempting the cloth. Did you know there's a disposable nappy recycling service in Melbourne. I'm in Perth and so am trying to source one here. If anyone wants more info go to www.myplanet.com.au.

Ummm, we're into organics, and are non radicle greenies. Our aim is to lead a self sustaining life style, eventually leave suburbia and build a straw bale house in the country.

As for schooling for the Nedster, we have him on a waiting list for Montossori.

Adios
Mary

#11 KristyMum-

Posted 23 March 2005 - 07:10 PM

Mmm.  Hi original.gif

Dunno that we are all-rounders but I know I was one of the odd ones out in my Mum's group (similar theme here) and still have 'those' looks and responses when I talk about how we do things (but it's ok for everyone else!)

First and second babes clothies, breastfeed and will do same with this one.  Try and buy organic where we can/grow our own, positive parent, gentle discipline etc and Master 3 and Miss Five attend our local Steiner School.

Currently (perhaps it's the hormones!) having a hard time with all the hypocrites in the world, but then, I figure well you gotta start somewhere and maybe praising people for the good stuff they DO DO is a better way to look at it.
Wouldn't say I'm altnerative or mainstream, just me/us trying to do what we think is best...

oh yeh - trying to put together webpage of stuff related to what I like/help others/info - I don't know if I'm allowed to post the link but if not, I'll edited it out - it's here:
http://www.vk6ksj.net/klgallery/albums.php...albumListPage=1

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Happy Parenting!
Kristy - one very addicted cloth nappy nerd (27)
Michael - awesome Daddy and partner of 13 years this August (29), Brooke 27/08/99, Jake 17/11/01 Baby due 27/03/05 -any time original.gif   klhill@westnet.com.au

This message was edited by KristyMumTo3 on Wednesday, 23 March 2005 @ 8:11 PM

#12 *Alina*

Posted 24 March 2005 - 10:51 PM

Hi Everyone!

See! I knew there were a few of us out there! I am so excited to get to know you all, and most of all, to LEARN from you all. So many of you have found more ways of caring for your babies health naturally than what I have thought of and implemented, so I cant wait to share ideas and experiences with you all.

I just have to say EVERYBODY is welcome here, please don't feel as though you aren't 'into' alternative health enough. We all have something to share, and I can tell that I certainly am not as proactive as a lot of you (or as much as I should be! ;p)

MORRIGAN- Welcome! Congratulations on expecting number three! Please share your pregnancy with us, we will be so excited to hear about it all. Would you share your laundry powder recipe with us?

AMY- Welcome to our thread! I look forward to getting to know you and making sure you aren't lonely!

KATIE- Welcome! BTW, isn't co-sleeping so lovely! They all try and tell us that it is a SIDS risk, but SIDS barely exists in countries like Sweden where co-sleeping is the norm. :quest: (Incidentally, Sweden also has many times more Chiros than doctors, so I am sure this contributes also).


KATHY- Welcome also! I havent yet started DS on solids (I will wait as long as I can), but I plan to home cook all of his food to. Any recipe ideas that you would really recommend?

DANII- Welcome to our thread! Congratulations on your first pregnancy! It is such an exciting time, I just can't wait to do it all over again. I am sure we will be picking your brains for aromatherapy advice, I am so fascinated by it! Just a quick question: I used to dislike the smell of lavender (even though I grew up in Tassie), I would even get a headache from it, but during my pregnancy I developed a 'craving' for it, and have loved the fragrance and found it so calming ever since!! is that common? blush.gif

FUSHANDLIAM- Welcome to you as well! I can see myself still breastfeeding DS at 4 years... I just can't bear the thought of not being able to nuture him in that special way! All my friends think it is gross and 'wrong' though. Oh well *sigh* too bad!  ;p

MARYWIN- Hi and Welcome! I am glad you are excited about this thread. Me too! Can you explain what th Montorossi School is like? I am not clued into what a Steiner School or the like is about... guess I thought it was a long way in the future... but not really!

KRISTY- Welcome and Hi! Perhaps you too could tell me a bit about Steiner Schools too? Glad to have you on board here! And BTW Congrats on 13 years! Well done!Thanks so much for the weblink... What an awesome help to all those like me who are just finding their way! You are such a great advocate for natural health, good on you!

Phew! That must be the Hugest post I have written!
Happy Easter Everyone!

Chat Soon,



Alina 23 "Mummy to a very well 'adjusted' baby with a chiropractor daddy"
DH Chris 28
DS Whyatt 22/9/04
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This message was edited by AlinaJane on Thursday, 24 March 2005 @ 11:57 PM

#13 nat4567

Posted 25 March 2005 - 09:11 AM

Hi everyone.  

DH and I have a 4.5 month old DS who is wonderful.  I breastfeed, use cloth and we chose not to immunise.
we use non-chemical household products and i try very hard to steer clear of chemicals as much as possible.

DH and I have been into more healthy 'options' for about 4 years now and when we first started we told our families about it and of course we got looked at strangely and the same with Katie that noone wants to even hear about it - even now i am only just finding out that one of my sisters spoke behind our backs about it saying how wierd it was when we first started and how she was worried about us.  i can't understand how people think it's unatural if you do things in line with nature??!!!

we are not fanatical about it, but try and avoid preservatives and additives as much as possible, don't smoke, have little soft-drink, enjoy home-cooked meals 99% of the time, are not vegetarians, but consume a lot less meat than we used to.

i have never joined a thread before, so don't know what is really expected of me, or what you're supposed to do, but i wanted to introduce our family.

i really look forward to chatting with you all.

#14 toby&millarsmum

Posted 25 March 2005 - 09:50 AM

haha, you should have seen the looks I got the other day from some Pre-School Mum's when I said i finally got DH washing his hair with bicarb and vinegar and conditioning with raw egg!

I just like experimenting with things and avoiding chemicals.

The co-sleeping/sids things is mindboggling to me too.  The only case I've ever heard of this happening was with a newborn baby of a Heroin addicted mother. IMO, that is not SIDS because they KNEW the cause of death.

#15 ArieleMoonfire

Posted 25 March 2005 - 10:27 AM

Co sleeping has actually been found in studies to reduce the incidence of SIDS. Its thought that the mother's breathing regulates that of the baby. I've never heard of a true case of SIDS occuring with co sleeping parents. Suffocation yes, but thats not the same as SIDS. And the cases of suffocation that have occured have been to my knowledge in familes who dont co sleep as a rule, so therefore dont know the guidelines for safe co sleeping.

This is a nice thread original.gif Hasnt been one for a while here. Nice to meet you all!

Alina-Thats sad about your friends thinking ext bfing is gross and wrong sad.gif I must admit I never thought I'd be feeding Liam this long when I started. I thought feeding an over 2 year old was a bit strange back then, but never gross. Its such a special bonding time to be able to spend together. He's cutting his feeds back now, he only really feeds once or twice a day. When I was pregnant he would sometimes go a couple of days without a feed, but now I actually need him to feed to help boost my supply for Sienna, for whom I have to express ALL her feeds.

I never knew that about Sweden having more chiros than Drs! Interesting. Those countries are so much more progressive than here in many ways. I like your sig line about your baby being "well adjusted" from her chiro daddy hehehe. Liam had terrible colic as a bub, and I found chiro adjustment helped enormously. His back was quite badly out of alignment according to the chiro. I have decided myself there is some correlation between long, traumatic births and colicky, refulxy babies. Most of the caes I know of had difficult births, and this could be because their backs are all out of alignment. Its a theory anyway lol. Sienna had a gentle, lowe intervention birth and is a very placid and settled baby

Oh well I'll stop going on so much! I'm also interested in the views of parents sending their kids to Montessorri and Steiner schools. I've looked into both these and I like some aspects of both. Others I'm not so sure about.What made you decide on these types ofeducation? I'm looking into education for my kids and cant find anything (that I can afford) that I'm truly happy with. I'm interested in different perspectives original.gif



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DD Sienna
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#16 toby&millarsmum

Posted 25 March 2005 - 02:39 PM

Fush, I can relate to you so much about the school thing.  It has been on my mind alot lately.  Toby is at a state pre-school this year so we need to decde soon what will happen for grade 1.

I am interested in homeschooling but DH isn't, so that's out of the question for now.  We had planned to send him to a small Catholic School which as a great reputation but now we just want to make sure that we are dong the right thing.

There are alot of options in my local area, one of which is Steiner.  I had Toby's name down but when I attended Steiner playgroups, I found it was quite different to what I expected and I was a bit disheartened.  I might go and check it out again though.  There is a Montessori down the road which I dont know a whole lot about (what I do know doesn't really appeal to me.)  There are also heaps of State Schools and I am about to look into a really small alternative school just down the road mixed aged classes, parent involvement etc.)

Aaarrhhghg, I am just ramblingon again but I find this to be such a hard and important decision.  I dont have alot o ffaith in the School system and see alot of people let down by it (myself included!)

I'll be interested to see the other responses youget to this question.

#17 rachelP

Posted 25 March 2005 - 08:25 PM

Hi girls...
Can I join in....
Sometimes I wonder if I'm so far 'out there' it;s boring. original.gif
We have homebirthed our two lovely daughters,
I am tandem feeding almost 3 y/o and 10 m/o
My big girl goes to a Montessori early learners group
Cloth nappies
Organic veges
mostly a chemical free house
selective vax )(none so far for Ivy at 10 months)
co-sleep with Ivy (the baby)
believe in child led weaning
Use homeopathics or herbs as a first choice

See... we are so alternative it's almost boring!
Look forward to chatting with you all.
Rachel
Look forward

#18 Insane By Default

Posted 26 March 2005 - 04:52 PM

Happy Easter, Happy Easter, Happy Easter everyone.

Here's a link to Montessori education.

http://www.montessori.edu/

Ah nuts - my little piglet is awake.

Will come back later.

C,ya
Mary

#19 Insane By Default

Posted 26 March 2005 - 11:36 PM

You know what really gets up my nose……OB’s /doctors that dismiss alternative medicines as nonsense. When I was pregnant with my first I broke out in a hive like rash. I went to the doctor and he informed me that it was a pregnancy related rash – well duh! I asked him what I could take to treat it and he said he didn’t know, but he could give me a steroid cream. He couldn’t guarantee it would clear it up, but it would mask the symptoms. My doc had not idea what caused the rash. I left his rooms incredibly frustrated. The next week I went and saw my naturopath, she took one look at my rash, said ‘oh that’s liver heat – your liver is under stress’. She prescribed me a tonic and herbal capsules and viola – rash gone in two weeks.

Move forward to pregnancy number two. After I delivered (c/section) I came out in a rash again but this time much more severe!! My OB didn’t know what it was. I told him it was my liver due to the amount of drugs, antibiotics and hormones in my system and my liver was have a difficult time trying to flush all the toxins. He dismissed it, as did the dermatologist (who misdiagnosed me). Suffice to say, I cured my self with herbal products. But what really got under my skin was the arrogance of these people. If it’s alternative they don’t want to know. Regardless if it works or not, they put on their western medicine blinkers and refuse to acknowledge the possibility that alternative might equal cure.

Oh well, at least I got my own way in the operating theatre. We took in a CD player with a CD full of birth music. We were singing to the tunes of Cat Stevens, The Beatles, and Dean Martin etc. It was a really cool, breezy caesarean. I didn’t want to leave until my songs had finished playing, and the theatre staff asked if they could borrow the CD player and CD for the next c/section scheduled. Of course I said ‘no sod off’ Bwahahaha!!

Mary.
Me 36
DH 35
DD Stillborn 35 weeks
DS (aka piglet) 5 weeks old and beautiful.
DDogs x 2
DCat x 1

#20 toby&millarsmum

Posted 28 March 2005 - 08:59 PM

Hi Scout.  I wish I knew the people you do.  The "type of ways" you refer to are definately not the norm around here, especially when it comes to pre-packaged foods, preservatives, etc. and recycling.  I am constantly amazed at how many people feed their children those "fruit" bar things, rollups, le snack etc.

I am looking forward to hearing more about your alternative energy sources.

#21 lisa&boys

Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:08 PM

Hi Everyone

I am not sure if I have replied here or not.
So will introduce myself anyways.
I have 3 boys and we all live in melbourne. I am in the industry of hollistic care so am very much into this way of life. I have an enormous thirst for everything natural.
We eat organic foods, use aromatherapy products for everything. I think the only thing I can think of is I use love n care washing liquid but all my cleaners and skincare and toiletry things are all aromatherapy products which i make all myself.
My boys are so use to me wanting and using them for guinea pigs sometimes. That is doesnt faze them now,lol. Dh always gets a weekly massage aswell as kiniesology and relaxation massage for my boys.
Looking forward to chatting and getting to know you all more overtime.

hugs


Mummy of Alexander, Nicholas and Samuel

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#22 toby&millarsmum

Posted 01 April 2005 - 02:21 PM

HI Purplebee
I use Borax in the washing machine (and have recently started putting it in the dishwasher too) and it seems to do the job.  I do a vinegar rinse for the nappies.  Occasionally I will use "Green Care" which says it is phosphate free and bio degradable.

Katie

#23 reachforthestars

Posted 03 April 2005 - 04:01 PM

Oooh I LOVE this thread! Makes me feel right at home original.gif
Just wondering a few things...
How much bicarb to vinegar do you use to wash your hair? About the only chemicals I have left in the house are shampoo and conditioner. I can't imagine DH will ever use anything else, but I'd like to try!
I use a spray of water, eucalyptus and T-tree oils to clean just about anything but what do you guys use to get stains out of rugs, nappies and clothes?
HOW do you afford all organic food? I hate eating things I know have been grown/raised/made with chemicals but simply can't afford to buy organic.

I also think it's sad aboput people's attitudes to extended breatfeeding. I don't tell people I plan to feed til Molly is 4 (if ashe's happy to). The people in my mums group were discussing another mother who fed til her son was 4. They all thought it was disgusting. I think it's beautiful. Molly is only just 6 months old yet she's the only one not on solids yet. WHY are people so into 'routine' and making their children into little adults???

Those of you living in Melbourne, are any of you up near or in the Dandenongs? Desperate to find like minded mums up here!

Amy

#24 lue

Posted 05 April 2005 - 11:10 PM

HI
I would like to join in this discussion,too.  We eventually aim to be self sufficient, just having a little distraction from our bush block at the moment, having moved up into the Pilbara for a few years, as we just could not cope financially to pay mortgage etc on regular wages!  
I do make all my own soap, though and recycle everything that I can.  Also am just about to embark on making my own fitted cloth nappies - 1st baby due in Sept, so I have some time.
I do get frustrated at the moment because this town has a huge throw away mentality, and I cant grow much in the summer because there isnt a whole lot that survives 45+ degree temps.  Organic products are virtually unheard of here, so I stock up on what I can when in Perth, or anywhere that has more than just a Dewsons supermarket.
I look forward to seeing what discussions come up on this tread.
Lue

#25 ~Zoe~

Posted 06 April 2005 - 04:11 PM

Lue- where in the pilbara are you? I'm in Newman. Just a thought about growing stuff- you can grow almost everything up here by ensuring lots of water and providing shade when required. Also adjust the growing seasons for certain things (plant earlier in the spring and late in the summer) and you will find there a huge amount of things you can grow.

In the past, my dad has tried most veges in his garden and I don't think there was anything that didn't grow. He had great tomatoes!

I would love to grow my own food, but my excuse is that I'm lazy! lol! Maybe when the kids are a bit older, but it's so hard doing anything at the moment.





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