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#1 MerryMadrigalMadge

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:34 PM

Derryn Hinch, Pauline Hanson, the Greens, Nick Xenophon, Labor, Lib/Nat... have I missed anyone?

It looks like it's going to worse than before - I did hear a Derryn Hinch interview and he did seem to be someone who would be willing (for now anyway) to discuss/compromise/negotiate etc, but P Hanson seems to be completely intractable, it's her pet issues and nothing else.

Royal Commission into Climate Science, into whether or not Islam is a religion or an ideology, abolish the Family Court, net zero immigration, scrap Renewable Energy targets, install surveillance cameras at every mosque and Muslim school etc etc.

Wow.

Anyway, how does it get decided which Senators get a 3 year term and which Senators get a 6 year term? Is there some rule so I check if we're stuck with Pauline for 3 years or 6 years?

#2 But seriously

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:37 PM

Senators get six years - except in the case of a double dissolution in which some may not have finished their full term

#3 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:39 PM

Jackie Lambie

#4 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:41 PM

View PostMarigoldMadge, on 03 July 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:



Anyway, how does it get decided which Senators get a 3 year term and which Senators get a 6 year term? Is there some rule so I check if we're stuck with Pauline for 3 years or 6 years?

I was wondering how this would work today.

Does it mean we will have to vote the whole senate every 6 years now? Because normally we replace half the senate each election.

#5 Bone Apple Tea

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:42 PM

Fred Nile

#6 MerryMadrigalMadge

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:43 PM

View Postsandgropergirl, on 03 July 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

Senators get six years - except in the case of a double dissolution in which some may not have finished their full term

this was a double dissolution, half the upper house has to be there for a 3 year term, and the other half get a six year term, so they can go back to their half house alternating terms.

So, they have to work out which half elected yesterday get a guaranteed 6 years and which half only get a 3 yr term.

I just can't find out how they decide.

Ye gods, it does get worse adding Nile and Lambie to that mix...

#7 Bone Apple Tea

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:44 PM

View PostMarigoldMadge, on 03 July 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

P Hanson seems to be completely intractable, it's her pet issues and nothing else.

Royal Commission into Climate Science, into whether or not Islam is a religion or an ideology, abolish the Family Court, net zero immigration, scrap Renewable Energy targets, install surveillance cameras at every mosque and Muslim school etc etc.

She is a very scary lady.

Years ago I saw her walking near the beach at the Gold Coast with what I can only assume was a couple of body guards.

With views like that I guess she needs them.

#8 MerryMadrigalMadge

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:54 PM

View Postcanstayferal, on 03 July 2016 - 08:44 PM, said:

She is a very scary lady.

Years ago I saw her walking near the beach at the Gold Coast with what I can only assume was a couple of body guards.

With views like that I guess she needs them.

Her interview with Senator Dastyari, when he invited her to try a halal snack pack spoke volumes - she can't stray off her totalitarian anti-Islam stance - she will be completely rigid - her time in the Senate will be just about grandstanding to her constituents.

https://pedestrian.t...8d489a3aa0c.htm

I'm not a lawyer, but reading through her anti-Islam wish list, none of it strikes me as even constitutionally or legally possible.

#9 Therese

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:54 PM

This is a very scary thread. I can't even imagine this mix of people having to make important decisions.

#10 Tender Heart

Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:54 PM

View PostMarigoldMadge, on 03 July 2016 - 08:43 PM, said:

this was a double dissolution, half the upper house has to be there for a 3 year term, and the other half get a six year term, so they can go back to their half house alternating terms.

So, they have to work out which half elected yesterday get a guaranteed 6 years and which half only get a 3 yr term.

I just can't find out how they decide.


This might help.  )

http://blogs.abc.net...ution.html#more

#11 foom

Posted 03 July 2016 - 09:00 PM

According to Antony Green the Senate itself gets to decide. Cue the first battle in the Senate possibly?

http://blogs.abc.net...issolution.html

Long and technical like any of his entries on the bitty gritty of Senate voting.

I'm clinging in hope to the last paragraph (in case you don't get that far...)

"It should be noted that any minor party elected on preferences from less than the double dissolution quota would be allocated a short term under both methods."

#12 MerryMadrigalMadge

Posted 03 July 2016 - 09:06 PM

View Postfoom, on 03 July 2016 - 09:00 PM, said:

According to Antony Green the Senate itself gets to decide. Cue the first battle in the Senate possibly?

http://blogs.abc.net...issolution.html

Long and technical like any of his entries on the bitty gritty of Senate voting.

I'm clinging in hope to the last paragraph (in case you don't get that far...)

"It should be noted that any minor party elected on preferences from less than the double dissolution quota would be allocated a short term under both methods."

Thank god for that - small glimmer of good news there (assuming she doesn't get reelected).

Will be interesting if they can even work this decision out.

#13 blue86

Posted 03 July 2016 - 09:06 PM

View Postcanstayferal, on 03 July 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:

Fred Nile
Not him personally. Us NSW folks are the lucky ones there *vomit*

I promise, I put him #156 last year...I tried, I swear!!

In terms of who gets how long, from what I read, which I now can't find, it was based on who was elected first or they can recount, but technically it's up to the new senators themselves (scary!!)

Eta: clearly, like the PPs I read Antony Green lol!!

Edited by blue86, 03 July 2016 - 09:08 PM.


#14 MerryMadrigalMadge

Posted 05 July 2016 - 03:45 PM

and so it begins....

Derryn Hinch threatening High Court action if he doesn't get 6 years...

https://www.theguard...erm?CMP=soc_567

#15 Little Miss Prissy

Posted 05 July 2016 - 03:51 PM

View Postsandgropergirl, on 03 July 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

Senators get six years - except in the case of a double dissolution in which some may not have finished their full term

Senate Terms Following A Double Dissolution

Whereas a normal general election involves the election of all members of the House of Representatives (currently 150) and one-half of the Senate, (40, including the four senators from the two territories), a double dissolution means that all of the Senate positions are up for election.
Accordingly, the new Senate then has to be divided into long term (6 year) and short term (3 year) senators, in order to re-establish the rotation of senators at normal general elections. This division is usually achieved by allocating the long term positions to the first 6 senators elected in each state.

#16 Wahootifandango

Posted 05 July 2016 - 04:10 PM

Thanks Malcolm - all this lies squarely on your shoulders

#17 Fright bat

Posted 05 July 2016 - 04:15 PM

Except I'm pretty sure Pauline got elected independently without relying on preferences... Whereas Hinch didn't. The major parties and Greens would be a mix.

#18 Lady Sybil Vimes

Posted 05 July 2016 - 04:28 PM

Here's a snippet from the Fin Review on how a Senate countback might work, very interesting stuff:

Full article here but best to google it if you don't want to hit their paywall: http://www.afr.com/n...20160704-gpy204

"But, as an alternative there is the countback provision. Under this, each elected senator would be ranked as if it was a half-Senate election, and their vote matched against the much higher quota for a seat of 14.28 per cent.
The Senate would be recounted on this basis and it would overwhelmingly favour the major parties.

For example, in Queensland, the top six spots would be filled by three Liberal-National Party Senators and three Labor Senators and they would consequently receive six-year terms. Ms Hanson won 1.2 quotas in the double dissolution but under the countback system, this would rate as just over half a quota in a half-Senate election and she would be relegated to the bottom six. Similarly, Queensland Greens Senator Larissa Waters who won a full quota in the double dissolution, would be relegated to a three-year term."




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