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#26 Pop-to-the-shops

Posted 23 July 2016 - 08:25 PM

Sounds like Fdc can be very different set ups.

I have seen some in units or flats with limited play space so in those cases they may want to get out.
I saw a local Fdc set up who took there kids to a few playgroups and local parks.

But the two I have used recently have basically a full kinder room set up in there home! With an endless supply of indoor and outdoor toys so they never leave the home at all! They are amazing.

#27 esme weatherwax

Posted 23 July 2016 - 08:28 PM

View PostCheekyChia, on 23 July 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

The point is that they are not heading out twice a week they are going to four different session at three different play groups as I said if they went twice a week there would be no problem but they are going to all four sessions taking up 15 spots per session its alot.

It is a lot and I can see it would be a little annoying, but they probably have different kids on different days, so are trying to allow all kids who attend their family day care get a chance to do a playgroup session.

The only thing you can do is talk to the organisers, I don't really see how they could discriminate by not allowing the family day care centres to come though?

#28 Nobodyelse

Posted 23 July 2016 - 08:43 PM

View Postcaitiri, on 23 July 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

Twice a week is not excessive but 4 days a week is. Playgroups are not just for kids they are a valuable resource and support for parents too.  Starting a new playgroup can be difficult for a number of reasons

Sometimes there is not an available space and many of the spaces playgroups use are also used for other community groups.
Starting without the backing of an already establish organisation ie a neighbor hood house or church can be very difficult financially.
You need to have someone willing to spend a good deal of time on potential issues that can arise as a start up
The list goes on

But it isn't the same FDC going to four sessions. It is three separate FDC groups. I can see the OP's frustration from the outside with it appearing like all the sessions are taken by the same problem, FDC. But they're not all taken by the same people. Perhaps you can talk to the organisers about the FDC providers having a couple of those sessions exclusively for the three of them, which would open up the other sessions to more individual children/families.

#29 caitiri

Posted 23 July 2016 - 11:48 PM

No it's the same FDC providers going 4 days a week,  they may or may not have the same or different kids with them.  As the OP said that's 15 spots per session or 60 spots per week

#30 Tesseract

Posted 24 July 2016 - 12:01 AM

I was in FDC as a kid, 5 days a week. I loved the lady so much, and she had a fantastic setup. But the day a week I got to go to playgroup was the best, and made me totally ready for kinder.

I would talk to the organisers of the FDC and/or the playgroups. Or start your own :)

#31 Mummy_Em

Posted 24 July 2016 - 12:22 AM

View Postfancie shmancie, on 23 July 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Not being awful, but would someone tell me what happens at family day care, if there aren't organised activities (some sort of program) and free playtime?

From some of the answers here it sounds like little more than babysitting.
No, they have to work to the Early Years Learning Framework the same as daycare centers. It's actually tones of work, programming and meal planning and record keeping.

View PostCheekyChia, on 23 July 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

The point is that they are not heading out twice a week they are going to four different session at three different play groups as I said if they went twice a week there would be no problem but they are going to all four sessions taking up 15 spots per session its alot.
If all of the kids are part time then they might be trying to give every child a chance to go to playgroup. Do all the playgroups run 5 days per week? If not, is the issue lack of venue availability or lack of a session leader? Being session leader is a fairly easy job, you could volunteer. At our playgroup the only "have to" jobs are opening up, making sure the hall is clean and locking up at the end. Some group leaders organise the craft, cut the fruit and run a song or story time, whereas other groups have each parent take a turn to do those jobs.

If you are really concerned you could contact the family daycare scheme in your area. As someone else said, many shires run their own playgroup sessions for family day carers.

#32 Nobodyelse

Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:04 AM

View Postcaitiri, on 23 July 2016 - 11:48 PM, said:

No it's the same FDC providers going 4 days a week,  they may or may not have the same or different kids with them.  As the OP said that's 15 spots per session or 60 spots per week

Hmm, I think I understand now. I thought you meant one group were going on Tues and Thurs and the others other alternating days.

My view doesn't really change, though. Day care kids are just as entitled to use the service as non day care kids. You say the sessions have 20-30 kids? That's up to fifteen spots for non day care kids in a session. Or up to 60 kids a week. Theoretically, that could accommodate up to 60 families. Are those spots always taken by the same non-day care kids every session? How does the booking process work? Are the slots opened fresh every week or do people book in for recurrent weeks until they cancel?

#33 caitiri

Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:28 AM

I'm not the OP.  I  am part of organisational end of a playgroup though so I do know a bit about starting and running them.

Kids that go to FDC are absolutely entitled to go to playgroup.  However I think it would be unlikely that 60 different kids are filling those spots.  When you have limited community resources you have to look at ways to make accessing them more equitable,  each of those FDC are getting socialisation on a small group scale at FDC.  Where as potentially 60 other families are not and their parents are not.

That isn't fair.

Whilst the solution everyone keeps mentioning is to start a playgroup.  I've mentioned above that there are many barriers.  If the places running the current Playgroups on the OPs area have waiting lists,  then it likely that there is reason they are not running more sessions.  I hate it when people say stop whinging and you organise something because not everyone has the capacity to be able to do that.

Honestly,  the people who should be organising a new playgroup are the FDC providers who would have better support and resources then Mary blogs

#34 CheekyChia

Posted 24 July 2016 - 08:49 PM

All the play groups n my area once your in then you keep your spot until you want to leave, hence the waiting list.

As previously stated if they went to one or two play group sessions a week I would have no problem but taking up half of the play group spots over the week is getting annoying.

I simply don't have time to start a play group I recently started working wed-sun and I only have mon and Tues off I am also studying.

Dose anyone think it would be ok if a group of us asked the coordinator of the play group that dose 2 sessions a week if we can have one session where fdc can't come so that we can clear the waiting list I talked to one of the parents who volunteers and she said that there was 12 kids on the wait list for a session at this particular play group.

#35 qak

Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:04 PM

I think it would be fairest to say that while there's a waiting list, no parent/guardian can attend more than one session. So applies to individual mums as well, without discriminating.

I really had no idea that FDC went to playgroups either ... maybe the co-ordinators could approach the council about having specific FDC playgroups?

#36 JomoMum

Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:06 PM

While I support FDC's right o attend a play groups with the children in their care, this does sound excessive.

But who is going to make the call that some FDC children can't attend because there are other children that want to? The FDC children attending get the same benefit from it as the non FDC children. I don't think any organiser would be willing to restrict access to any child.

And with that in mind, the fairer option could be to rotate access. For everyone. Have some new rules around places/wait lists perhaps. But that generates separate issues too. Perhaps out of a 12 session term, each child could attend just 3 sessions? Just thinking out loud.

If I was the organiser, and someone approached me with your concerns, that would put me in a very difficult position.

#37 Mrs Claus

Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:07 PM

I would suggest they limit playgroup to one day per week per family/fdc provider.

#38 Mummy_Em

Posted 25 July 2016 - 01:12 AM

OP have you looked into the free library programs? There are also often structured playgroups around which are a little bit more expensive, but have a play leader/educator.

#39 girltribe4

Posted 25 July 2016 - 09:47 PM

As a Family Day Carer who attends our local playgroup I support the use of playgroups for ALL but I do think its excessive for them to go to quite so many sessions .

I also don't want to get any one in trouble but they should only have 4 pre-schoolers with them each ?? (though there are rare exemptions to this rule )

I take my Family Day Care children to our local playgroup for a chance to mix with a larger group of children , different activities , large outdoor play space and large outdoor equipment . I have a great set up at home , plenty of space and resources but I still feel that its important for the children to experience other environments . To go to playgroup I have to write up extensive risk assessments , get parental approval and pay my Playgroup SA fees .

#40 gracie1978

Posted 25 July 2016 - 10:15 PM

My friend lives in a popular Playgroup area and she was told to stop attending two sessions a week and to pick a  session as there was a waiting list.

I think the overall Playgroup organisers need to step in, attending four sessions a week isn't fair when there is a shortage of places.

#41 anna_garny

Posted 25 July 2016 - 10:44 PM

As a Playgroup organiser, we have 2 FDC providers who use our PG, one on Tuesday and the other on Friday.

We only allow FDC providers to attend one session a week, and we ask that they pre-book it so that we're aware of how many kids are coming.

I get that playgroup is a great thing for the kids, but we have had to ask one FDC provider, in the past, to no longer attend when she was using our playgroup to essentially dump the kids she was supposed to be caring for and spend the two and a half hours on her phone, ignoring them while they stole food, pushed other kids over and broke toys.

Unfortunately it was this providers' attitude that led to us making the 'one session per week' for FDC groups rule. We also had to introduce extra rules about phone usage and active supervision.

#42 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 26 July 2016 - 11:26 AM

Waiting lists for playgroups.. Crazy!

I think its a non issue. The parents of the FDC children would know whats happening, if they are cool with it, then no one else should have an issue!!

#43 Chief Pancake Make

Posted 26 July 2016 - 12:07 PM

I agree that the FDG should be limited to one session per week.  I used to go to story time with DD at a couple of different local libraries and we were asked only to attend one per week.

I curently go to a story time/craft session at our local library.  A while back  several FDC started coming and it became overcrowd and other kids (who might not be getting other social interaction) were missing out.  The FDC were asked to stop coming.

#44 Natttmumm

Posted 11 August 2016 - 03:17 PM

I would think FDC should attend their own playgroup. Our FDC attends a playgroup with other FDC people (or so assume).

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