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#26 SeaPrincess

Posted 02 April 2018 - 02:01 PM

 Nobodyelse, on 02 April 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

The can limit is per transaction. Not per person. They can go through the cashier as many times as they like.

Not if the shop is applying the same rules as they post online:

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#27 MrsG2

Posted 02 April 2018 - 03:19 PM

We use A2 formula and Bellamy’s. It’s infuriating how hard they are to get a hold of just because it’s going overseas. Thankfully DS will no longer need it in less than a month. I’ve managed by ordering online or going to a babies r us that’s a 40 minute drive away.

Edited by MrsG2, 02 April 2018 - 03:19 PM.


#28 MillyM

Posted 02 April 2018 - 03:28 PM

 Lucrezia Borgia, on 02 April 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

You weren't watching Sunrise were you OP?  

No, I can't stand those morning shows! There have been a few videos  going around several news outlets and I wondered what people's real experiences were and if I should be worried.

#29 MillyM

Posted 02 April 2018 - 03:30 PM

 Soontobegran, on 02 April 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

I don't watch that crap but I do not see how anyone discussing this can give an unbalanced account.
Facts are facts...it is happening, Australian parents have too often not been able to access formula for their babies because personal shoppers are sending them to China and selling them for triple the price.

Yes, the videos seem pretty clear. It looked like panic buying.

#30 Crazyone26989

Posted 02 April 2018 - 03:51 PM

 Nobodyelse, on 02 April 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:



I think this is a bit hyperbolic. The pro-shoppers are clearly different to the personal use shoppers. They tend to shop in large groups of around ten people. They also behave differently. They are more agressive and crowd people out. Hovering and blocking stock while their party members fill trolleys and baskets, go and pay for their 'allowed' amount then come back and do it again. The can limit is per transaction. Not per person. They can go through the cashier as many times as they like.

Maybe it is a bit hyperbolic but it's something that genuinely concerns him as someone who looks and is Asian.

#31 skicat

Posted 02 April 2018 - 04:01 PM

I had an idea to only sell limited cans to people with an original birth certificate for the baby less than 1 year old.

People that suggest that we just produce more, have no idea what our dairy industry is going through .Dairy cattle sold off because of drought and some large dairies already owned by the chinese , lots of other complicated issues including  processing the milk into  milk powder as machines have already been sold off to China.The industry still needs to produce cheese, milk, yogurt and butter etc for Australias needs.

#32 Nobodyelse

Posted 02 April 2018 - 04:22 PM

 SeaPrincess, on 02 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Not if the shop is applying the same rules as they post online:

The jpg didn't work for me.

But there isn't one hard and fast rule. Each shop has their own rules. And online vs in shop are different. Online can be policed by an algorithm. In shop is policed by self serve or operators who just don't do it. We've all seen people go through express/12 items with a trolley load and not been stopped. The same applies. Sometimes, a cashier doesn't even look who they are serving. They just scan the items and move on. The shoppers know which shops are easy to manipulate so they tend to stick to them.

#33 marple

Posted 02 April 2018 - 04:52 PM

 MillyM, on 02 April 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Yes, the videos seem pretty clear. It looked like panic buying.

It wasn't panic buying. The shop specifically opens early three times a week for these "personal shoppers" to buy up and send it overseas.

#34 MillyM

Posted 02 April 2018 - 05:07 PM

 marple, on 02 April 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:



It wasn't panic buying. The shop specifically opens early three times a week for these "personal shoppers" to buy up and send it overseas.
I agree, it just had that frenzied appearance.

#35 opethmum

Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:16 PM

I think that this has gone on for far too long to be honest. I think that daigous should be cracked down on and that we need to nationalise a 2 can minimum.

The companies are importing directly into China and can get product there and they are also selling fresh diary milk too into the Chinese markets. I think that it is high time that both Governments need to crack heads together and work out the best arrangements for both countries.

I do think that there are greedy people here taking advantage of people here and not leaving enough for the domestic market. I know for a fact that a lot of Chinese tourists can recoup their tour costs and travel expenses by buying a couple of cans and sending them back to a warehouse back home. I know that we are not the only country that Chinese citizen do this too, Canada, US and NZ get hard to get goods and sell them at astronomical prices.

I think that a lot of people whose babies are missing out have a right to be upset and that they have a right to be angry that they have to go to extreme lengths and unnecessary hurdles to feed their child in their own country of birth.

Chinese parents yes need a reliable source of diary but to strip other countries of resources is not right either and they need to have affordable products too and their government should and can do more to ease their concerns too. They need to assure their citizens that their diary products are safe and ensure world's best practice in refining diary products to various products. I know for a fact that company executives and those found responsible for the melamine contaminations were indeed put to death after the verdicts and several people with minor roles were given lengthy jail terms.

#36 VigilantePaladin

Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:27 PM

 Oriental lily, on 02 April 2018 - 09:31 AM, said:

I think it’s being handled poorly by the formula companies . What the Chinese want is premium formula marketed for Australians . Formula companies have tried to sell directly to China marketed to their consumers but the Chinese are so very untrustworthy of anything directly marketed to them . They believe it to be inferior and worse contaminated .

What the Australian manufactures need to do is expand their supply of the Australian market knowing  that a third party will sell it on . For years and years the formula companies have been saying they have ‘supply issues’ and try to solve it by selling directly to China .

It’s not working ! So give China what they want and sell directly to the third parties packaged exactly like you would sell it to the supermarkets ect .

They see, to be ignoring why China wants our formula in the first place .
Because home produced formula contaminated with melamine was better? Right.......

Something needs to be done. Formula companies need to do something. Why not have a factory supply, where those who buy to send overseas can buy and have it shipped direct, and a retail supply for those over here who need it.

I'm beginning to think that formula on on prescription is going to be the only way top stop this.....

#37 ~LemonMyrtle~

Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:40 PM

Not formula on prescription, that will just stigmatise formula feeding and shame parents. Dont want to risk babies being underfed because mothers are too scared to ask for a prescription.

But a baby card, issued by a doctor or MCHN, to every parent, regardless of their feeding method, that says "i have a child and are entitled to buy formula" might be the way to go.  There will still be people who use the card from store to store to buy formula for on-selling, but it will slow it down enough for formula companies to supply the local market as well as some on-selling.

#38 got my tinsel on

Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:54 PM

 Ailurophiliac, on 02 April 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

Because home produced formula contaminated with melamine was better? Right.......


I believe Oriental Lily was referring to formula manufactured in Australia by Australian formula companies marketed directly to China was met with suspicion, not Chinese formula manufactured and marketed in China.

#39 Oriental lily

Posted 02 April 2018 - 07:14 PM

Exactly. This issue has been going on for a while now and Australian companies like Bellamy responded by sending formula directly to China to cut out all the exporting from third parties here . It has not worked . Wrong or right chinese consumers are suspicious of formula in there own supply line . They don’t want to buy Bellamy’s organic formula covered in Chinese writing bought from their local supermarket . They want our formula available to the Australian public because they believe it to be superior , even if manufactured by the same company because they have doubts its the real deal .

#40 Nobodyelse

Posted 02 April 2018 - 07:35 PM

 ~LM~, on 02 April 2018 - 06:40 PM, said:

Not formula on prescription, that will just stigmatise formula feeding and shame parents. Dont want to risk babies being underfed because mothers are too scared to ask for a prescription.



This^

I was a formula fed baby back in the late 70s, early 80s. I was also lactose intolerant. To get soy formula, my parents had to go to a specialist who wrote a script to have the formula sent from Canberra.

Formula on script won't just stigmatise it. It'll also make it harder to get. It might not have to be sent from our capital, but you won't be able to get it in supermarkets or convenience stores.  You'll have to line up, put your script in, wait for it to be dispensed.

#41 Starletta

Posted 02 April 2018 - 07:35 PM

In the years this has been going on I’ve yet to read about one Aussie baby going hungry so I wouldn’t be worried.

The media love this story. It really gets people going

I feel for the desperate Chinese parents being exploited by money hungry daigous. They should be ashamed of themselves. And I feel for those who have to change formula here because of a shortage of their own. Sometimes it just not as simple as changing brands. My kids had digestive issues when we had to change.

But again, there hasn’t been any stories of kids going hungry, and if there were I’m sure a current affair would be all over it so I think it’s blown out of proportion.

#42 nom_de_plume

Posted 02 April 2018 - 08:20 PM

 Ailurophiliac, on 02 April 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

Because home produced formula contaminated with melamine was better? Right.......

Something needs to be done. Formula companies need to do something. Why not have a factory supply, where those who buy to send overseas can buy and have it shipped direct, and a retail supply for those over here who need it.

I'm beginning to think that formula on on prescription is going to be the only way top stop this.....

Formula on prescription won't help.

4 years ago I had a script for lactose free formula, 5 tins at a time. I was lucky if a pharmacy actually had 5 tins on hand. I had to call the manufacturer (Karicare) and beg them to send a special order to the pharmacy a week before I needed my script filled, or spend hours calling around pharmacies and getting them to transfer stock between stores. It was a royal pain in the backside and extremely stressful.

The problem has been going on for long enough now. The Chinese and Australian governments need to intervene.

#43 VigilantePaladin

Posted 02 April 2018 - 08:38 PM

If it's on prescription/order form/whatever you want to call it then only people who can produce the script/order form/whatever you want to call it can buy it. If you don't have one of those then you cannot buy it. And it does not have to be from a chemist. It can be from Coles/Woolies/IGA or whoever stocks it. You can hardly stigmatise something that is fairly normal to use.

#44 opethmum

Posted 02 April 2018 - 11:04 PM

 Starletta, on 02 April 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

In the years this has been going on I’ve yet to read about one Aussie baby going hungry so I wouldn’t be worried.

The media love this story. It really gets people going

I feel for the desperate Chinese parents being exploited by money hungry daigous. They should be ashamed of themselves. And I feel for those who have to change formula here because of a shortage of their own. Sometimes it just not as simple as changing brands. My kids had digestive issues when we had to change.

But again, there hasn’t been any stories of kids going hungry, and if there were I’m sure a current affair would be all over it so I think it’s blown out of proportion.

My child was born in the peak of the contamination scare, on some occasions I was running pretty close with having  2 feeds to go before the can was empty, my child needed special formula AR, it did not matter what it was they grabbed it in droves, it was gone. I was stressed out at a time where I needed the support the most. It was luck of the draw and going from store to store was a chore to find the cans.

#45 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 02 April 2018 - 11:34 PM

 Ailurophiliac, on 02 April 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

If it's on prescription/order form/whatever you want to call it then only people who can produce the script/order form/whatever you want to call it can buy it. If you don't have one of those then you cannot buy it. And it does not have to be from a chemist. It can be from Coles/Woolies/IGA or whoever stocks it. You can hardly stigmatise something that is fairly normal to use.

Really?

Because then you have to do to the doctor and explain why you want formula for a newborn or even an older kid and hear all the breast is best crap and have you done this or that and some doctors will make you fight for that formula.

The wait times are stupid enough at doctors. Are they going to give you 60 repeat scripts to last the whole year to avoid the sh*t I need to go to the doc for a script and what  if you need to change formulas a few times, do you have to go back to the doctor to get another script for that one?

What about the people who can’t afford a doctor visit for whatever reason, just giving their kid homemade formula is ok with you? Or if they can’t get a script? You are ok with then putting their kids at risks for what are often factors outside of their control.

There will never a time I support formula on script. There are other options to explore but in script is not a valid one.

Edited by ~J_F~, 02 April 2018 - 11:38 PM.


#46 Ellie bean

Posted 03 April 2018 - 12:48 AM

 Ailurophiliac, on 02 April 2018 - 08:38 PM, said:

If it's on prescription/order form/whatever you want to call it then only people who can produce the script/order form/whatever you want to call it can buy it. If you don't have one of those then you cannot buy it. And it does not have to be from a chemist. It can be from Coles/Woolies/IGA or whoever stocks it. You can hardly stigmatise something that is fairly normal to use.
its already stigmatised.
Have you ever formula fed? I'm guessing if you had you would realise this is not a practical/ workable solution
Eta I say that as someone who did ff amd I did actually get my daughter's hydrolysed formula on script, in some ways it was convenient for us (not in some other ways), but I can see what a huge burden it would be on the medical system and parents to require scripts for all formula fed babies
Also given I was I fact getting the scripts from a gastroenterologist, who considered it very necessary, and I still had mchns and a couple of GPs strongly suggest I was doing the wrong thing and should be breastfeeding, I really dread the thought of putting vulnerable mothers through that kind of extra hurdle, especially given how little real support there is for breastfeeding mothers that goes beyond rhetoric

Edited by Ellie bean, 03 April 2018 - 01:10 AM.


#47 Gerbera2015

Posted 03 April 2018 - 05:58 AM

 SeaPrincess, on 02 April 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:



Not if the shop is applying the same rules as they post online:

I saw staff at one of our local supermarkets telling all checkout operators not to serve a lady and they wouldn’t let her go through self serve. They allowed her two transactions but then stopped her. I’m unsure if the police got called or if she gave up or what ever happened but it was good to see them trying at least

I use nan comfort and the only times I’ve had trouble is if the shelf just needs restocking as usually there’s only space for 3-4 cans, I usually get two cans at once

#48 PooksLikeChristmas

Posted 03 April 2018 - 06:51 AM

Poor kids on formula go hungry here all the time. It doesn't make the news.

#49 AdelTwins

Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:13 AM

I actually like the idea of a script based system. Linked to babies Medicare number, flags if you buy more than x tins per month.

Most ppl would see the Dr at birth, 2, 4 & 6 months for vaccinations anyway. Those who can't get vaccinated would be seeing the Dr frequently for other issues. Anti vaxxers would have to make a special trip.

I have a script for DS3 for 8 cans with 5 repeats. 48 cans which lasts me about 24 weeks as they are 1/2 sized cans. I'd rather be able to buy 8 cans at a time than drive round desperately searching for 1 or 2 cans at at time.

To the OP - bellamys, aptimal and A2 are cleared out of my local Coles every morning. (A2 goes first). The staff are powerless to stop them.

Edited by AdelTwins, 03 April 2018 - 09:26 AM.


#50 Starletta

Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:15 AM

 Pooks Persisted, on 03 April 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

Poor kids on formula go hungry here all the time. It doesn't make the news.

What do you mean? Due to this issue?




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