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#1 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:13 PM

I've been watching his youtube videos and I quite like him. Clearly I'm becoming more moderate with age but I haven't yet encountered a position from him I don't agree with but somehow he's lauded as an alt right poster boy. Have I got this correct? What am I missing?

#2 cinnabubble

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:18 PM

Isn’t he the one who makes excuses for men and blames women for everything?

#3 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:29 PM

I can't see that he does. It's what others claim of him but they don't appear to listen to his responses and add meaning to his writing that isn't there.

Oh wait,,, just listening to an interview and he's denying the gender pay gap. WTF dude? I've been watching his lectures for months and not seen anything more ridiculous than his religious ramblings but I love that he uses cross cuktural mythology.

#4 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:31 PM

Now he's saying gender pay gap exists based on multi variable reasons. Now I can see why people don't like him: soundbytes

#5 Nobody Cool

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:38 PM

The first thing I saw of his was some interview where he went to great lengths trying to deny the gender pay gap, saying that it's because women don't try hard enough and a whole bunch of other gender essentialist garbage. It was the same stereotypical crap we've all heard before about women being nurturing, caregivers, less ambitious etc

I didn't bother with anything else he had to say after that.

#6 Nobody Cool

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:39 PM

Nup are you able to summarise what you like about him?

#7 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:48 PM

View PostNobody Cool, on 29 April 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Nup are you able to summarise what you like about him?

His summation of personality drivers and the interactions between personalities.

Much of the political stuff being attributed to him appears to be distorted. I'm still not certain that he has denied the gender pay gap, he has explained the contributing variables but negated his own position in doing so.

I identify as radfam and so hear his arguments against gender identity politics and the undermining if academia for what it is: a push toward increased censorship. I still see this as a gaping generation gap where conservatism drives a need to overdo political correctness to the point where we ignore all social markers and power bases to try to eliminate them. Not sure that will ever work.

#8 Nobody Cool

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:56 PM

View Postnup, on 29 April 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

His summation of personality drivers and the interactions between personalities.

Much of the political stuff being attributed to him appears to be distorted. I'm still not certain that he has denied the gender pay gap, he has explained the contributing variables but negated his own position in doing so.

I identify as radfam and so hear his arguments against gender identity politics and the undermining if academia for what it is: a push toward increased censorship. I still see this as a gaping generation gap where conservatism drives a need to overdo political correctness to the point where we ignore all social markers and power bases to try to eliminate them. Not sure that will ever work.

Thanks. I'll have to put aside my reservations and look further into his work. I have to admit that I am curious to unearth the reasons for his current popularity.

#9 Franny and Zooey

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:57 PM

View Postcinnabubble, on 29 April 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

Isn’t he the one who makes excuses for men and blames women for everything?

No that’s Tony Robbins

#10 MsNorbury

Posted 29 April 2018 - 09:59 PM

For his supposed intelligence and confidence,  there is very little substance or evidence behind his theories.

I cant stand him.

article
article 2

Give an insight in to why I have an issue with him.

His critique of gender identity laws  in Canada have been debunked several times. An example of this.

Edited by MsNorbury, 29 April 2018 - 10:01 PM.


#11 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:00 PM

"Radical leftist ideologues are authoritarian, WHICH THEY ARE"... In reference to proposed legislation changes to formally addressed language in the public speaking context.

#12 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:02 PM

He's a psychology professor with a twist but his YouTube channel's popularity has been under increasing attack. He's quite the measured speaker. I don't find him to be a fierce intellect but a fast thinker yes.

#13 purplekitty

Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:08 PM

I've seen a bit about him on Twitter and people I respect don't respect him.
There has been a few quotes I'm aware of and he is the master of weaselling out of criticism.

There was an SMH article about him recently which I haven't read.

https://www.smh.com....417-p4za14.html

#14 nup

Posted 29 April 2018 - 10:24 PM

View PostMsNorbury, on 29 April 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

For his supposed intelligence and confidence,  there is very little substance or evidence behind his theories.

I cant stand him.

article
article 2

Give an insight in to why I have an issue with him.

His critique of gender identity laws  in Canada have been debunked several times. An example of this.

You can't stand him? Why can't you stand him? You read some articles that distort his position but do you resent his popularity?

#15 gabbigirl

Posted 30 April 2018 - 05:53 AM

For some reason he’s captured the imagination of the popular press and a whole lot of men. In his interview with Richard Fidler I found him to be partly interesting - and not terribly extreme. I find the attempted silencing of him by some parts of the left more disturbing.

#16 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:28 AM

The attempted silencing of many people (notably some respected feminists) by some parts of the left is extremely disturbing. The left is becoming authoritarian and deeply deeply misogynistic.

#17 Lady Sybil Vimes

Posted 30 April 2018 - 07:48 AM

He’s an amazingly good self-promoter and he has an old-fashioned authoritative presence that a lot of people seem to like. I think the SMH article the pp linked to above summarises the problems with Pietersen pretty well. This one fron The Independent is good, too.

https://www.independ...y-a8208301.html

He’s good at making these martyred, angry, broad-brush statements about the awfulness of modern society that appeals to the alt-right. He doesn’t trade in nuance or subtlety at all, he’s prone to weird conspiracy theories about Marxists and he’s completely useless on anything to do with gender.

#18 TrixieBelden

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:15 AM

There’s not much that’s original about him. Like many of his peers there not much to differentiate his views from the average middle-aged white bloke propping up the bar at the local RSL. He’s just more articulate.

It’s pretty standard for angry white blokes to claim entirely mainstream and well accepted views trumpeted by the kind of person who’s been in a position of power for millenia as ‘controversial’ and pretend there’s been an attempt to silence those who in fact have the loudest most widely accepted voices in the world.

Edited by TrixieBelden, 30 April 2018 - 08:16 AM.


#19 TheGreenSheep

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

I was intrigued by the soundgrabs that were advertised in the sixty minutes article last night. It was a completely substandard and washed over piece. Bitterly disappointed that I could’ve gone to bed but waited up for a very bland and vanilla discussion.

I then actually looked him up on YouTube to find out what the fuss was. That was far more controversial and informative. Certainly more information on his view on the multiple variations and issues with the gender pay gap, made me look at it not so simplistically that men get paid more.

#20 Franny and Zooey

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:39 AM

I find him ok, with some useful things to say.  I have cherry picked what I like most, after about an hour of researching him but doubt I will listen to anymore YouTube stuff or buy his books.  It isn’t too original.

I think with all these people, you just take the best bits and move on to the next one, collating your own library of stuff that works and resonates for you and where you are at.

#21 nup

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:45 AM

The complaints about him appear to be centred around social media and the problems with amplification rather than his views. Throwing in "angry" as a standard prefix for white men to apply to him seems misguided when it appears the reactions to him are far more emotionally driven. He's a psychology professor who has tapped the mainstream social vernacular. I've only ever seen him to be excitable about his subject matter but I think he is comfortable with discomfort and admire his strength under fire.

I guess I'm more curious about his popularity amongst men at this point in history. He's not saying anything new and yet has captured an isolated audience of people who might otherwise drift toward the victim status of the manosphere.

Edited by nup, 30 April 2018 - 08:45 AM.


#22 Mmmcheese

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:47 AM

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Edited by Mmmcheese, 30 April 2018 - 08:51 AM.


#23 TheGreenSheep

Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:56 AM

View Postnup, on 30 April 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

I guess I'm more curious about his popularity amongst men at this point in history. He's not saying anything new and yet has captured an isolated audience of people who might otherwise drift toward the victim status of the manosphere.

http://www.news.com....aad68000f9d0101

#24 Mmmcheese

Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:31 AM

Thanks for all the article links. Lots of good reading.

#25 marple

Posted 30 April 2018 - 09:32 AM

I've only heard  him briefly  few months ago but he seemed pretty level- headed to me in that interview, and no where near as fake and purposely vile as Milo Y who he is supposedly replacing. He is certainly a step in the right direction.

Edited by marple, 30 April 2018 - 09:34 AM.





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