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#51 EsmeLennox

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:01 AM

Well, peer-reviewed data and evidence-based practice in any area lends credibility and, yes, claims about self esteem and belonging especially in regard to children need scrutiny because opinions are like a**holes.

And I’m actually interested in it, I’m not arguing. But, carry on.



#52 No Drama Please

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:02 AM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

I think other than weddings and funerals though, a lot of people would just duck into safeway, so I can imagine actual florists have issues as well.
I hear what you’re saying, I just mean more from if you wanted to get a gift to someone say overseas for example, that’s something you could by contacting a florist, and they could get flowers straight away. To give as a gift it’s a quick easy option that can be done in a few minutes. Fresh flowers are hard to replicate (I would think?)

#53 Tessied

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:04 AM

View PostCimbom, on 15 March 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Actually I think it's the opposite. People think they know about photography because they take some photos for Instagram and therefore think it's not worth paying for. If the skill was more "foreign" then I think there'd be more of a willingness to pay for it

Yeah probably true.    Hard to fight those ideas, I figure people who think they can get what I can after years of experience and hands on education prob aren't my clients anyway.

#54 amdirel

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:04 AM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 10:38 AM, said:

Yeah sure, there are quite a few articles about it.

https://designaglow....d-s-self-esteem

Maybe I'm being picky, but an article from a photographer discussing a 40 year old study where a handful of kids with low self-esteem were given snapshots of themselves and 30-something percent of them felt a bit better after 5 weeks, isn't really convincing me of the need to rush out and pay a ton of money for professional family portraits so that it can "do wonders" for my family's self-esteem. I'd be interested in reading some of the other "many articles" you have though.

#55 Tessied

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:10 AM

View Postamdirel, on 15 March 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

Maybe I'm being picky, but an article from a photographer discussing a 40 year old study where a handful of kids with low self-esteem were given snapshots of themselves and 30-something percent of them felt a bit better after 5 weeks, isn't really convincing me of the need to rush out and pay a ton of money for professional family portraits so that it can "do wonders" for my family's self-esteem. I'd be interested in reading some of the other "many articles" you have though.

Honestly why the b**chiness?  I'm a mum posting about needing help with business and I'm doing a job I believe in and think does make people happy, and all I've had is a lot of people want to pick a fight because I didn't do 5 years of research on that belief.  

It's nice to have a whole bunch of people jump on this one comment which was not even the point of the thread as if I said babies should be hung upside down for fun.  It's nice when I was already stressed, I'm doing this alone and just trying to provide for my son and do a job I love and believe in.

But they, I hope you all feel better, I'm sure your own self esteem is now huge.

#56 Riotproof

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:18 AM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:



Honestly why the b**chiness?  I'm a mum posting about needing help with business and I'm doing a job I believe in and think does make people happy, and all I've had is a lot of people want to pick a fight because I didn't do 5 years of research on that belief.  

It's nice to have a whole bunch of people jump on this one comment which was not even the point of the thread as if I said babies should be hung upside down for fun.  It's nice when I was already stressed, I'm doing this alone and just trying to provide for my son and do a job I love and believe in.

But they, I hope you all feel better, I'm sure your own self esteem is now huge.

A one off comment that is presumably part of your sales pitch. That’s all people are responding to.

You’ve actually gotten a lot of ideas and reasons for your question. Hopefully some hits to your site too.

#57 Mrs Claus

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:25 AM

We are spending less. I’m working less and with the cost of petrol these days we have no $$ for ‘extras’

Whilst I love the professional photos we’ve had taken, I definitely see it as a luxury. Though the last ones we had were Christmas one/s. A mini shoot on the beach. Cost was the same as the crappy Santa ones we’d had done so in future I’ll just do those.

#58 amdirel

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:26 AM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Honestly why the b**chiness?  I'm a mum posting about needing help with business and I'm doing a job I believe in and think does make people happy, and all I've had is a lot of people want to pick a fight because I didn't do 5 years of research on that belief.  

It's nice to have a whole bunch of people jump on this one comment which was not even the point of the thread as if I said babies should be hung upside down for fun.  It's nice when I was already stressed, I'm doing this alone and just trying to provide for my son and do a job I love and believe in.

But they, I hope you all feel better, I'm sure your own self esteem is now huge.

No b!tchiness here, I'm just pointing out that if you put a bold claim out there as fact and then state you've got lots of articles about it, people are probably going to want to see them. But anyway my answer to your original question has already been mentioned by a PP, though I'm not sure you accepted it anyway... but the cameras on smartphones these days and youtube tutorials are certainly good enough to get nice photos. As good as you do? Most probably not. But they're good enough, and basically free.

#59 MarciaB

Posted 15 March 2019 - 11:56 AM

View Postamdirel, on 15 March 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

No b!tchiness here, I'm just pointing out that if you put a bold claim out there as fact and then state you've got lots of articles about it, people are probably going to want to see them. But anyway my answer to your original question has already been mentioned by a PP, though I'm not sure you accepted it anyway... but the cameras on smartphones these days and youtube tutorials are certainly good enough to get nice photos. As good as you do? Most probably not. But they're good enough, and basically free.

I have not used a professional photographer in years as we just print our own.

However - the improvement in camera technology (and reduction in camera prices) etc has been happening for some time and the OP has only recently noticed a drop off in business - so it does sound like something else is at stake.  Having said that - I doubt that portrait photography is a growth business - but suspect it will be on a slow decline.

So I would suggest either a slowdown in discretionary spending in your area or increased competition (any new photographers in your area?).  EIther of those combined with what I expect is a stagnation of business growth in your field will see orders drop off.

All the best OP.

On a side note - I have a couple of friends who regularly (as in every 2 years or so) have photos done of their dogs and/or horses.  Pet photography is a thing and apparently not that easy to find a good one in Sydney anyway.

Edited by MarciaB, 15 March 2019 - 11:57 AM.


#60 Apageintime

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:07 PM

we get lots of family photos done by professionals - we are having some taken this weekend!

Like a PP we only use AIPP accredited photographers. We look for people who take something more than the standard posed famly photos.

How strong is your networks with other photographers? What are they finding? Are you staying up to date with current trends etc?

With the rise of instagram the style of photos has changed dramatically in recent years, and I think you do need to stay abreast of those changes stylistically to remain relevant.

I would refocus your business basics - who are your ideal client, what are they loooking for, and how can you meet their need.

When was the last time you refreshed your own visual branding/website/logo etc?

#61 Freddie'sMum

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:12 PM

On topic OP - we are definitely trying to spend much less money as a family because I don't have a job at the moment !

Anything like getting professional photos done - for us - would simply not even be on our radar right now.  Even paying for the compulsory 'school photos' gets my back up - it's money we haven't got for photos that we don't want !  

I think a PP who mentioned that everybody who has a smart phone and an Instagram account - now thinks they are a professional photographer is an issue you are going to have to face.  

Can you branch out and maybe teach photographer ?  Become a pet photographer ?  Join the paparazzi and photograph the stars stumbling out of their limos blind drunk and sell the photos to the tabloids ?

#62 nup

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:23 PM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 10:32 AM, said:



I hope not.  It does wonders for kids being surrounded by their family photos, it promotes a sense of belonging and higher self esteem!
I use photo books for that. Chatbooks is a favourite.

Separately I am in several business groups and most members don't see the difference in their expectations and their own choices. Offshoring jobs has been huge. The rise of the VA has been hotly debated as we all want more for less. It directly contradicts our demands that people buy local. The world is changing and spending habits are shifting. Finding how we fit into the automated world is hard work in itself for some people. Everyone has a camera in their hand but OP you're arguing with reality rather than adapting. We all do it.

#63 born.a.girl

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:33 PM

View PostNo Drama Please, on 15 March 2019 - 11:02 AM, said:

I hear what you’re saying, I just mean more from if you wanted to get a gift to someone say overseas for example, that’s something you could by contacting a florist, and they could get flowers straight away. To give as a gift it’s a quick easy option that can be done in a few minutes. Fresh flowers are hard to replicate (I would think?)


That's true, about distance.  If you're pushed for funds though, you might send flowers for a funeral, but not for the kid who's done well in their exams.

If you're flush with funds, you might send them to the niece who's done well in their exams, and send a bigger bunch for the funeral.

I'm not going to say how much we spent for my florist daughter to make a display for the casket for my MIL, because it was the result of a misunderstanding, my fault, so I just acquiesced, but it was a LOT of money.  If money was really tight for us, like it had been for a few decades, I'd have just had to say 'I'm really sorry, my fault, but we just don't have that sort of money'.

#64 born.a.girl

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:37 PM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Honestly why the b**chiness?  I'm a mum posting about needing help with business and I'm doing a job I believe in and think does make people happy, and all I've had is a lot of people want to pick a fight because I didn't do 5 years of research on that belief.  

It's nice to have a whole bunch of people jump on this one comment which was not even the point of the thread as if I said babies should be hung upside down for fun.  It's nice when I was already stressed, I'm doing this alone and just trying to provide for my son and do a job I love and believe in.

But they, I hope you all feel better, I'm sure your own self esteem is now huge.


To be fair, it did come across strongly as an inviolable fact rather than as part of a general idea that kids get their self esteem from feeling like they're part of a group, which can actually come in many forms.

For the kids in the study, we'd need to know what their backgrounds were in the first place, and how their self esteem was.

I know it's difficult when people challenge what you say, but if it's happened to me, within a day or so I recognise the truth of what they're saying, if it's a number of people.

#65 casime

Posted 15 March 2019 - 12:55 PM

OP, I'm going to be brutal here, and wonder if there is something in your pitch that is putting customers off?  You are incredibly defensive about your profession, which is fair enough, but you rarely get anywhere criticising people for not using your services, and there is something in your posts that make it come across as if you are owed a living.

People ARE spending less on items like photography these days, because not only is several hundred dollars for a posed photoshoot a lot of money to the average family, most people are just happy to have a photo, and if they can get a nice shot down the park on their own camera for a few dollars of printing at Big W, over several hundred dollars with the pro, most people will settle for the cheaper option when there are so many other demands on their money these days.

#66 Bearynice

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:02 PM

I think it depends on your target market and the area you live in
A lot of young families are struggling to pay big mortgages, fuel prices have increased, food prices have increased.... so there might not be much left from the income for luxury

Regional areas have been hit hard and many people are on minimal shifts with casual incomes

Have you thought about linking in with local hospital to advertise?
Or hit the grandparent market who might gift a voucher for photography?

I’d be brainstorming how you could use your skills in diverse ways



#67 robhat

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:12 PM

I think people are spending less at the moment and yes, professional photos would be something people are unwilling to splurge on.

I'd also say that there is probably an oversupply of professional photographers. I'm constantly hearing of friends (or friends of friends) who have 'taken up' professional photography, sometimes while still maintaining another job part time. In recent years I've also noticed that most people I know who have had professional photos taken for a wedding or new baby or just family shots have gone with 'a friend' who usually is giving discounts and will possibly give their friends one too... You get the idea. So basically that means that people aren't exactly going out and looking for professional photographers but rather taking advantage of someone they know who is pretty good at it and willing to buy all the gear for their 'hobby'.

#68 Charli73

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:20 PM

Personally I feel like professional photography is a luxury and with everyone being more mindful of where their spending goes (think BFI) it is a want not a need when a simple photo with some fancy filter on a smart phone will do the trick just fine..
not saying that professional photos don’t look good but if I’m saving hundreds of dollars when things are getting tight I know which one I’m going to do..

Can you look at doing other photography work for extra income? I know our childcare centres always had photos and some years the photography was pretty poor, another avenue perhaps?

Edited by Charli73, 15 March 2019 - 01:42 PM.


#69 Steph19

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:25 PM

We have a small service based business. Our business has been growing but I would say that our customers are more conscious of spending. We mostly do B2B but we are getting asked to quote more (instead of just doing the work and charging as we would have previously). We're also getting asked for more details and clarification around quotes which makes me think they are watching their spending more closely. I don't think there is really a financial issue but consumer sentiment is down so everyone goes into panic mode.

#70 Cimbom

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:28 PM

I second the idea of looking for niches. Have you looked into commercial photography or offering your services to different kinds of local businesses - say restaurants, real estate agents or even office-based firms? You could also look into offering things like photography classes, photo tours (if you have something touristy near you) or very specialised photography services (pick a few types or topics to specialise in rather than general "family" photography) or even try to do some freelance photojournalism type work. You may need to think a bit laterally.

#71 bec578

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:35 PM

Yes we have cut back on spending but that is due to our family circumstances regarding work etc. No overtime for DH lately so less to spend on any extras

Are you in NSW? There is a state election in 2 weeks time. It's always quiet at election time. And there will be a federal election this year too... whenever ScoMo decides to call it

#72 Sweet.Pea

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

View PostCimbom, on 15 March 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

I second the idea of looking for niches. Have you looked into commercial photography or offering your services to different kinds of local businesses - say restaurants, real estate agents or even office-based firms? You could also look into offering things like photography classes, photo tours (if you have something touristy near you) or very specialised photography services (pick a few types or topics to specialise in rather than general "family" photography) or even try to do some freelance photojournalism type work. You may need to think a bit laterally.

You could also offer unedited snaps for free as part of a package.

I get there is time and expensive equipment involved, but some work is better than none.

#73 Cimbom

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:48 PM

This may also give you some food for thought: https://www.seek.com...phy-jobs?page=2

May be be worth working somewhere else to build up your networks and portfolio and using that to bring back your business longer term.

#74 just2ofus

Posted 15 March 2019 - 01:58 PM

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Edited by just2ofus, 15 March 2019 - 02:00 PM.


#75 Mollycoddle

Posted 15 March 2019 - 02:02 PM

View PostTessied, on 15 March 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

Yeah probably true. Hard to fight those ideas, I figure people who think they can get what I can after years of experience and hands on education prob aren't my clients anyway.

The thing is that people either have money to get professional photos or they don't.  Any increase in quality they might get from professional as opposed to doing it themselves isn't going to be worth the outlay for most people.  You only have to go onto IG to see that there have been some awesome photos taken by ordinary people with your average smartphone.




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