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#26 Soontobegran

Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:25 PM

We have had dogs for decades and have never had a crate. They have all had beds and access to the outside to toilet, their beds have always been their safe place and their behaviour has never made us think a crate was necessary.

They have happily gone into crates at the groomers or when they've gone to the VET. They have always known what was expected of them.

I guess it depends on the dogs.

#27 just roses

Posted 22 August 2019 - 06:29 PM

View PostNot Escapin Xmas, on 22 August 2019 - 05:34 PM, said:

Do report back... ;)
Haha! My thoughts exactly.

#28 jesse083

Posted 22 August 2019 - 07:52 PM

Our vizsla loves his crate. He's in it now,  voluntarily. We have young kids and when we have visitors over we crate the dog. His crate unzips on top so people can still pat him etc but he can't steal food (a favourite past time) . He also gets nervous when lots of kids are squealing and generally being kids,  secure in his crate he couldn't care less.
Added bonus to crate training is that when we go out with the dog,  his crate folds down and come with us. Safe space for him wherever we go.
I love the crate and so does the dog.  But that's us, it's not for everyone.

#29 JoanJett

Posted 22 August 2019 - 07:58 PM

View Postdaybreaker, on 21 August 2019 - 09:02 PM, said:

I like to think my dog will be different :yes:

Said every parent of every human or fur baby ever ;)

"To crate or not to crate.  That is the question...."

More importantly, what kind of a dog are you planning/not planning to crate?

#30 daybreaker

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:14 PM

Interesting that for those dogs that like the crate it does really work although there have also been successes without it and the dog still feeling secure.

I plan on getting a golden retriever and still leaning on the side of no crating. I can see the reasoning for it more clearly now but still prefer to try it without.

#31 Freddie'sMum

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:14 PM

We have a crate for our little dog.  At night time, he sleeps in his crate.  During the day he can sleep in his crate or in his bed.  He's very happy to go into his crate when he needs a break from noise, kids, storms etc.

#32 WaitForMe

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:36 PM

View PostLucrezia Borgia, on 22 August 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

like babies/toddlers and sleep? toilet training? i don’t have a dog - most people around me do, and crate training seems to come hand in hand with other training - socialising the dog, making it less nightmarish for the family. babies invariably don’t like sleep, but they need it...and then - once grown up - they do tend to like it.

I don't believe in sleep training children either.

If you want to crate train your dog to make your dog less nightmarish ok... still don't get it... but people go on about this den like behaviour and how natural it is...

#33 daybreaker

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:40 PM

I think if you left the gate open on the crate fair enough but to close it is putting the dog in a cage.

#34 Charli73

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:43 PM

While we never crate trained our German Shepherd she had one in the kitchen to retreat to when she wanted to...

It was an eyesore but very handy for when little children came over that didn’t feel comfortable around large dogs or for when we needed her to be crated when trades were in the house etc... very handy for getting her used to being at vet also,...

#35 *Spikey*

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:45 PM

It's more akin to teaching your child to sleep in a cot, or their own bed.

Dogs enjoy having their own space. It takes them a while to work out that it is their own personal fiefdom, as they don't understand much English, lol.

It's also like you don't have to teach your dog to sit, heel, come back when called, etc, but it does make them a better doggy citizen and member of the family, like teaching kids manners - which also doesn't come naturally.

You don't have to crate train, but how you see a crate and how your dog sees it are not the same, unless you use a crate to punish the dog (a huge no no). Ours put themselves away. It makes for safe dogs overnight. They get their treats, and have a bed time ritual when we go to bed (and have been known to complain if we are up late).

I find it kind of funny that anyone would trust a retriever pup loose inside a house while they're asleep though. Clearly, it's been a while since you spent time with one. They. Eat. Furniture.

#36 daybreaker

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:52 PM

View Post*Spikey*, on 22 August 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

I find it kind of funny that anyone would trust a retriever pup loose inside a house while they're asleep though. Clearly, it's been a while since you spent time with one. They. Eat. Furniture.

I must admit the eating furniture/shoes/everything is what scares me the most about having a puppy.

We could put her bed in the laundry overnight..... a room sized crate?

#37 400

Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:54 PM

So many good points on here that I agree with.

We crate-trained our GSD and are grateful for it for multiple reasons:
1) selfish for us- no wandering dog, no chewed up anything. After being in the crate he happily transitioned to a bed in the same spot and never, ever wanders now. This became a godsend when DS was born.
2) selfish for older dog- shares the same sleeping area and as a pup, GSD wanted to be with her ALLLLLL the time, relentlessly, so it kept them both happy. Now they sleep side by side in their own beds.
3) his happy place. Put the crate anywhere with the door open: he has a spot that he will chose to nap in if he wants, and if he is anxious he can relax.
4) when we need to contain him for some reason (eg travel, post anaesthetic etc.) it’s easy peasy, and he doesn’t freak out.

Some people think it is cruel to crate train. I wholeheartedly disagree, I think it created an emotionally stable dog for us, which is important given his massive size and strength.

#38 kadoodle

Posted 22 August 2019 - 09:04 PM

My old dog sleeps on top of her crate, but retreats into it and pulls the door behind her when the young dogs or kids are annoying her.

#39 *Spikey*

Posted 23 August 2019 - 07:23 AM

View Postdaybreaker, on 22 August 2019 - 08:52 PM, said:

I must admit the eating furniture/shoes/everything is what scares me the most about having a puppy.

We could put her bed in the laundry overnight..... a room sized crate?

It depends. My Lab ate a porthole in the fence once, and I know other dogs that have eaten doors and dug holes in the walls..... Do you like your laundry with walls and doors, lol?

#40 SallyJay

Posted 23 August 2019 - 07:50 AM

We didn't do it with any of our dogs. They have bean bags and beds in a few rooms in the house but they sleep with us in our bed. So does the cat. I tried leaving our cocker in the laundry the first night she came home, that lasted about 20 seconds I couldn't bear the crying so I put her in bed with me and that's where she stayed.
They have their beds and bags and if they're on them we leave them to it so they have peace and quiet when they want it.
I just don't see the need for it. She did chew a few things as a puppy but I don't care about that anyway. She grew out of it eventually.
Bit like babies, you can train them or just let them get it in their own time.

#41 just roses

Posted 23 August 2019 - 08:50 AM

OP, our dog is now three and sleeps in the laundry. Initially, he was in his crate, in the laundry, with the door shut. Once he was well used to that, we kept the door open. But he still treated it as though it was shut. Lol. It was like the invisible gate. He came out when we got him up in the morning. He was very cosy and warm in there and often not keen to leave! A few months ago, we decided to take away the crate after we'd been away for a few weeks (and he'd been used to a dog bed at the kennel). We were hesitant to do so, because he really did like the crate, but we were a bit sick of how much room it took up and the gymnastics involved in reaching the washing machine past the crate. So now he has a very plush bed in the place where the crate was and he's totally fine in there. We tuck him in and he doesn't move. There's a baby gate on the laundry doorway (no actual door) and we know the dog can now open it if he really wanted to, but he doesn't. He happily spends the night in there now. So it was a long transition.

#42 iwanttosleepin

Posted 23 August 2019 - 10:05 AM

My Golden Retriever has never chewed anything of ours.  She did rip her own doggy bed to shreds but I think she was telling us something.  She likes to sleep on the tiles.  Although I have now convinced her to sleep on an old ikea poang cushion.  She does like a good bone.

She did go through a phase of digging holes. Oh the look of remorse on her face was priceless.  She’s stopped doing that now.  She’s nearly 2.

She sleeps locked inside because I am scared of snakes.

#43 auntycharlie

Posted 23 August 2019 - 10:49 AM

We've had dogs for 20+ years and they were never crated, but when we got our most recent pup from the breeder, the breeder suggested she be crated from day one. In her view the dogs like having their own safe space, and it also makes the owner's life a lot easier especially during the puppy phase.

Our girl is now 18 months old and every night when we turn the tv off she takes herself outside for a pee, and then straight into her crate where she stays for the night. We live close to bush land, so her being safely kept inside means that the wallabies, possums, bandicoots and echidnas can roam about in our yard at night without being chased (or worse).

Our girl will also go into her crate if she is feeling especially tired, or if there is a lot of loud noise in the house which she doesn't like.

#44 McG2013

Posted 25 August 2019 - 09:20 PM

We have 2 crate trained house dogs. We really only had to put them in crates at night time because every night at 2 or 3am when we would have animal visitors in our backyard, the eldest would start barking like a maniac for about 10 minutes.

Now they will come and get us to put them to bed at night time when they're tired. They also spend a large chunk of their day sleeping in their crates with the door open, of their own accord.

We've also 2, soon to be 3, small kids in the house and we've been able to teach the kids that the crates are the dogs space and to leave them alone when they're in there.

#45 HamsterPower

Posted 25 August 2019 - 09:31 PM

We have never crate trained our dogs and have never had any issues with them destroying things, getting anxious at vets etc. I know it works for so many but it makes me very uncomfortable and our dogs have been so very happy with their beds etc.

Mind you our dogs like most things including vet trips and are well trained in every other sense so we are lucky. One of our dogs is a Goldie and no she did not ever cause any issues inside overnight even from puppy stage. We tired her out then She always went to her bed and snoozed, and came to grab us if she needed to be let out for toileting- opens doors to do so:-) she is a legend!

I believe strongly in other behaviour training etc but crate training was not something we liked, each to their own though.

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