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Stage 4 - what do you think it looks like?


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#1 Grassisgreen

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:25 PM

In Victoria, Andrews said today he thinks there will be a stage 4 lockdown.

So what do you think stage 4 will look like, what changes will it mean?

#2 JRA

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:27 PM

Perhaps like singapore has just gone to. Essential stores only - food, fuel, medical...  

https://www.straitst...rning-from-next

#3 RichardParker

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:36 PM

Only allowed out at particular times to get food/medicine. No going to work for anyone who’s not really, really essential.

#4 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:38 PM

i can’t see how it can get any stricter than this? we’re only allowed out for supplies and exercise. maybe they could stagger times etc...


#5 No Drama Please

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:43 PM

It might be like some places overseas where they give you a document with your name and address on and you have to show it to the police and supermarket when you want to buy food. Only one person per household goes out and once a week. No schools no work. Temperature checks at supermarket. That’s the last stage I think?

#6 kiwi-girl

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:44 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 03 April 2020 - 10:38 PM, said:

i can’t see how it can get any stricter than this? we’re only allowed out for supplies and exercise. maybe they could stagger times etc...

Easily can get stricter - more shops shut (think clothing stores, Spotlight, Bunnings - apart from trade for essential services, Kmart, newsagents, no takeaways from cafes or fast food places etc). May limit how many times a week you can leave house for supermarket/chemist. May limit how far from home you can travel.

#7 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:47 PM

View PostNo Drama Please, on 03 April 2020 - 10:43 PM, said:

It might be like some places overseas where they give you a document with your name and address on and you have to show it to the police and supermarket when you want to buy food. Only one person per household goes out and once a week. No schools no work. Temperature checks at supermarket. That’s the last stage I think?

i actually have that now. it may be overkill...from my HR dept. ....but it confirms i work for an australian govt agency, my name, address and birthdate - and that i have just cause to be out of my house ....strange times.


#8 No Drama Please

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:50 PM

Already? Omg, you know it’s probably going to happen but when it does it’s no less alarming.

#9 can'tstayaway

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:52 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 03 April 2020 - 10:47 PM, said:

i actually have that now. it may be overkill...from my HR dept. ....but it confirms i work for an australian govt agency, my name, address and birthdate - and that i have just cause to be out of my house ....strange times.
Maybe your workplace is getting organised ahead of a stage 4 lockdown.

BTW Singapore is now shutting down schools to curb the spread.

#10 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:53 PM

View PostNo Drama Please, on 03 April 2020 - 10:50 PM, said:

Already? Omg, you know it’s probably going to happen but when it does it’s no less alarming.

yeh....we got them on Wednesday. incredible times. I don’t think i want to live like this. it’s like the gestapo. i’m not convinced it’s necessary.

Edited by Lucrezia Bauble, 03 April 2020 - 10:54 PM.


#11 Mrs Zee

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:53 PM

View PostJRA, on 03 April 2020 - 10:27 PM, said:

Perhaps like singapore has just gone to. Essential stores only - food, fuel, medical...  

https://www.straitst...rning-from-next

Yep come Tuesday they will be in lockdown for 4 weeks. Schools closed, only supermarkets, restaurants for takeaway, medical financial and security services allowed to operate.

They have 1,000 cases. 5 deaths. Evidence of community transmission and have traced infections to asymptomatic carriers.

#12 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:56 PM

View PostMrs Zee, on 03 April 2020 - 10:53 PM, said:



Yep come Tuesday they will be in lockdown for 4 weeks. Schools closed, only supermarkets, restaurants for takeaway, medical financial and security services allowed to operate.

They have 1,000 cases. 5 deaths. Evidence of community transmission and have traced infections to asymptomatic carriers.

ok, well that doesn’t sound too bad. we’re in easter holidays nearly now. we could do four weeks with schools actually shut (not quasi as they have now)  if you can still do supermarkets. takeaway and medicine. And exercise.


#13 can'tstayaway

Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:58 PM

View PostJRA, on 03 April 2020 - 10:27 PM, said:

Perhaps like singapore has just gone to. Essential stores only - food, fuel, medical...  

https://www.straitst...rning-from-next
Singaporean PM Lee from the article:

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“We have decided that instead of tightening incrementally over the next few weeks, we should make a decisive move now, to pre-empt escalating infections. We will therefore impose significantly stricter measures. This is like a circuit breaker," he said.

"It will help reduce the risk of a big outbreak occurring, and it should also help to gradually bring our numbers down. This in turn will then allow us to relax some of the measures. This circuit breaker will apply for one month, in the first instance."
Sounds sensible to me - he’s outlining why they are doing it, how long it is for, what the next step will be in a concise manner.

#14 RichardParker

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:00 PM

The government must know something we dot about how bad this virus is. There’s no way they would shut down the entire economy over something that wasn’t that much of a risk.

#15 DontPokeTheBearMum

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:01 PM

View PostRichardParker, on 03 April 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

The government must know something we dot about how bad this virus is. There’s no way they would shut down the entire economy over something that wasn’t that much of a risk.

That has been my thought process as well. They know something we don't.

#16 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:02 PM

they should release the modelling. the govt is getting frustrated with a “non compliant” population but we’re scared and anxious and we don’t know what is happening. they need to be straight with us.

Edited by Lucrezia Bauble, 03 April 2020 - 11:04 PM.


#17 can'tstayaway

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:02 PM

View PostLucrezia Bauble, on 03 April 2020 - 10:56 PM, said:



ok, well that doesn’t sound too bad. we’re in easter holidays nearly now. we could do four weeks with schools actually shut (not quasi as they have now)  if you can still do supermarkets. takeaway and medicine. And exercise.
Our government isn’t on the preemptive circuit breaker path.

Our government has consistently said restrictions (Morrison doesn’t even like the words shut down, let alone lockdown) it will be in place for at least 6 months.

We likely have more community transmissions that are not known or accounted for. Singapore is being proactive and not claiming to be world leaders in their response. They are getting on with keeping infections down instead of playing catch up and patting themselves on the back.

#18 -Emissary-

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:03 PM

No, they just realised the hospitals won’t cope.

If we can build hospitals overnight and have a bed in ICU for everyone who needs it, I reckon the Government will probably leave the virus to run wild and only expect elderly and vulnerable people to go into lock down.

#19 RichardParker

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:11 PM

Yeah, but it must be more than the usual “not coping” of a hospital.

#20 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:12 PM

View PostRichardParker, on 03 April 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

The government must know something we dot about how bad this virus is. There’s no way they would shut down the entire economy over something that wasn’t that much of a risk.

I agree, mostly because their words really don’t seem to match their actions.

Actions are hardcore but their words are all like we got this.

It’s still very mixed up messaging.

Although the premiers seem a bit more realistic with their delivery than the feds imo.

Dan Andrews has been a stand out during all this mess!

Edited by ~Jolly_F~, 03 April 2020 - 11:14 PM.


#21 can'tstayaway

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:14 PM

https://www.brisbane...403-p54gyi.html

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Health authorities have repeatedly warned that containment measures would likely not stop the virus even in Queensland, and the state’s Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young was particularly frank on Friday, admitting the strong measures put in place would almost certainly eventually fail.
There is community transmission that they were barely acknowledging.  It’s like a ticking time bomb and they’re doing very little to try and find it. Blaming the public for not social distancing when the CMO Murphy was claiming  ‘close contact’ is only “within 24 hours of someone becoming symptomatic or after they have become symptomatic” completely ignores the evidence of people being contagious with no or minimal symptoms.

Because of the policy path our government has chosen to follow, we are going to be stuck with restrictions for a longer period than if they acted sooner.

And the emails coming to light from the Ruby Princess’ medical officer is showing the NSW Premier to either be in the dark, incompetent or just a liar.

#22 ~Jolly_F~

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:23 PM

The Qld chief health officer annoys me with her delivery (it’s her voice) but she had been pretty upfront all along, as has the Qld health minister that they can’t control this, they just needed to buy time to prepare.

#23 Lucrezia Bauble

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:24 PM

i think more may be revealed over the Ruby princess. that was a complete c*ck  up. rumour mill is in overdrive that there was a “connected” person on board...that it’s dutton snd the au pairs all over again, but this time with bio security thrown into it. i have no idea if any of these are accurate but it’s a tantalising story.

Edited by Lucrezia Bauble, 03 April 2020 - 11:24 PM.


#24 can'tstayaway

Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:47 PM

View Post~Jolly_F~, on 03 April 2020 - 11:23 PM, said:

The Qld chief health officer annoys me with her delivery (it’s her voice) but she had been pretty upfront all along, as has the Qld health minister that they can’t control this, they just needed to buy time to prepare.
But they aren’t being upfront about WHY they can’t control this. They’re treating the public like muppets and drip feeding us information.

They keep congratulating themselves on how hard the health department is working on contact tracing and what a good job they’re doing (I don’t dispute the individuals are working hard), but what are the definitions of ‘contact’ that they’re using?  What are the rules and parameters they’re working to?  What’s their acceptable level of infection or death before acting?  They should be more transparent.

In New Zealand, now that they have fewer inbound travellers, they are starting to randomly test people to get a better gauge of their community transmissions.

The Singaporean’s are going into lockdown for approximately 65 new daily cases (56 being local). Their government is also changing the recommendations for wearing masks because it may help to minimise community transmissions for asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic carriers. Their government is actually issuing reusable masks to all households.

Edited by can'tstayaway, 03 April 2020 - 11:48 PM.


#25 NWO

Posted 04 April 2020 - 12:46 AM

View PostRichardParker, on 03 April 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

The government must know something we dot about how bad this virus is. There’s no way they would shut down the entire economy over something that wasn’t that much of a risk.

Interesting what areas of the economy haven't shutdown as much as others, haven't adopted the wfh model as much as others, may be given preference for cc and schools spots, may have certain papers to show that others don't ....

Interesting that the people are confined to their houses, unable to meet physically with others to protest anything if they wanted to, maybe soon to be told when they can get food and provisions, many more now reliant on the gov for money to survive.

If you wanted to suppress a population of people in a peaceful way then you couldn't have written a better script than this one so far.

CMO gives a very positive update while the premiers of Australia's two most powerful states talk about going to stage4 ... interesting times :)




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