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#1 zande

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:12 PM

So our numbers are good. We haven’t come anywhere near the original predicted cases or deaths (thank goodness). We’ve all lost so much - now today’s news is out, but all doom and gloom, no encouragement whatsoever or a hint that daylight might ever come. NSW premier & Norman Swan saying restrictions have to last until there is a vaccine - which could be 18 months away!

I can’t do it, I’m just holding on. I honestly hoped / thought that they would say something like that if the trend continued, perhaps late April we could start to look at loosening some of the measures - NOT going whole hog back to normal, but a start.

I feel so sad for my girls that they are missing out on so much, they haven’t left the house for 2 weeks (apart from our daily walk). I miss my life - Easter is normally a family camping trip (has been their entire lives), now there is not one thing to hope for for essentially the rest of the year. This sucks. I’m really struggling today.

#2 Not Escapin Xmas

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:16 PM

Oh Zande, I'm sorry. When you're hoping for good news and get the opposite it's just so soul destroying I know.

I'm positive it won't be anything like 18 months. People are working on treatments and vaccines all over the world. I'm sure someone will come up with something before that.

I can see from this and your other posts that you are finding this really difficult. Do you have a psych or EAP or someone that you can speak to about some coping strategies? I would hate for you to spend the next however-long this miserable. xxx

#3 rubyskye

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:18 PM

I'm really struggling today too Zande.
I feel like crying but in too much shock and not enough energy.
My two DS are missing out on so much and I'm so lonely (DH at work).
I just cannot believe this is our life now. I know it could be much, much worse and I am grateful but it's such an isolating experience and not good for mental health.

#4 Thylacine

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:24 PM

I don't think it will be 18 months either. I think that ScoMo  is telling us 18 mths so that he will look like a hero when it turns out to be less than that.

Humans are social creatures and most people won't cope being in isolation for that long, they will have to relax the rules even if the vaccine isn't ready

#5 It's Percy

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:30 PM

I think there would be a widespread revolt if this goes on for 18 months. People just won't be able to stand it, especially if we don't see the number of cases rise exponentially. I thin know the borders are closed, there should be a decrease in cases and things will start to open up again in May.

At least I'm really really really really really really really really really hoping that's the case.

#6 SFmummyto3

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:34 PM

I'm sorry you're struggling too. I also struggle with mental health even at the best of times. Are you able to go outside for a walk, even for a change of scenery? I've been holed up inside in the dreary Melb weather for far too long and just come back from the local shops. Even getting out and buying groceries and seeing other people has made me feel a little better.

Do you have a psych that you can contact and have an online session with? I think it's a very difficult time for people's mental health. A family friend who is a clinical psychologist has been run off his feet with online appointments, it's a very bittersweet moment for him. He said people are distraught and are needing coping mechanisms. It's so hard. Please take care of yourself x

#7 born.a.girl

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:39 PM

I think the most positive way of looking at this is by thinking of the number of lives saved each day because of the measures that have been taken here.

If you look at out total numbers they don't look that much better than some other countries, but compare their deaths, and their testing rates and it's obvious that our high testing rate (for all of the anecdotal reports) is picking up a lot of mild cases.

If we'd taken Sweden's approach, we'd have maybe 1,000 dead now, all else being equal (which it's not, obviously).

That's the way I'm trying to look at it: lives saved, and it's working, but we need to keep going, to keep saving them every day, for the moment.

ETA: I don't think it's possible for the government to do that (and I'd say that of a government of any persuasion) without getting a right bollocking, and fair enough.

Edited by born.a.girl, 07 April 2020 - 04:46 PM.

#8 PocketIcikleflakes

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:48 PM

hugs Zande

I'm feeling more positive by just reading selected articles from the guardian and ABC. DP was watching commercial tv News when he was home. Gosh that was awful for my mental health. I can avoid it while he's at work.

I'm trying to just stick to forum discussions then I look through the links in the pinned post in the covid19 forum here. That way I can can watch the new daily case tallies lower most days.

I think there will be some form of restrictions for at least 18 months. I don't think the current restrictions will last anywhere near that long. I feel they will be reversed in the opposite order to the way they were introduced. Fairly well.

So, many WA regions will allow movement, though possibly not the Pilbara and Kimberly for a while longer.

Hard state borders will soften, then open.

Social distancing will last for a while longer but ease as more people can be tested for antibodies.

International borders will soften country by country.

I'm thinking of anyone who's struggling. Xxx

#9 halcyondays

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:49 PM

Australians are doing really really well. We have very few lives lost, sounds like your girls have their family, we have a good food supply chain.
The news that we need to press on with social distancing is emphasised so we don’t become complacent- so many people can’t help but feel depressed when they are stuck at home with no end in sight and then see new covid diagnoses decreasing by the day and think - stuff it, it’s all an overreaction, I’m going out.
I do worry for those who live in less than great home circumstances (neglectful parents, dv, poor internet and little access to computers). I think I would have tried to kill myself it I were a teenager stuck at home with my abusive parents, being kept home from school.
Can you all take up some hobbies? Music? Craft? Sewing? Balcony gardening? Terrarium building?
A year or so is a short period in your girls’ lives. But yes, I don’t think we will holiday or socialise in the manner us middle classes have become used to for a long while yet.

#10 zande

Posted 07 April 2020 - 04:58 PM

We can live without holidays, although not being able to visit my sister & nephews who live 2 hours south for 18 months is going to hurt.

My girls just want to go back to school. If we could do that and socialise with more than just one other person would allow us to have a bit of life.

#11 franklymum

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:04 PM

Zande, I think they're hoping to scare everyone into behaving themselves this Easter. The messaging may lighten up after the holiday but right now they want to ensure everyone is very compliant.

I'm sorry you're feeling the gloom today. It comes and goes doesn't it? I feel more affected by the weather lately too - if it's grey outside, everything feels a bit colourless. If I can sit in the sun, things don't seem so hopeless.

#12 archyandmehitabel

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:08 PM

I'm sorry.  When you are in this down state it's hard.

Can you connect with your sister and nephews on Skype or Zoom?  The place I do volunteer work has shut but a group of us are so used ot having a chatty lunch that one has set up a Zoom meeting at lunchtime once a time.

It has been great

#13 Soontobegran

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:23 PM

The eternal optimist I am feels encouraged even though my brain is working against me right now.
We are actually doing much better than what we believed was going to be our journey a couple of weeks ago.

We have a wonderful health system, it is no coincidence that our death rate is low......
Yes, I know it is not perfect but we are saving many people from being overcome by the virus.

There is no place for early celebrations, we Aussies need to have the brakes put on us for some time yet because of the old 'give and inch and they'll take a mile' could set us backwards.

Zande if you read between the lines there is a general feeling that we are managing so much better than many countries and whilst we still do not know whether this trend will continue I do think we need to take some heart from where we are at.

Take care.

Edited by Soontobegran, 07 April 2020 - 05:23 PM.

#14 Yippee-Ki-Yay

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:33 PM

Because the second things relax, you wait and see how people take advantage of loose restrictions.

Its also really important to remember that even though our numbers are down, that is BECAUSE of these restrictions, not a reason to ease them. Once numbers of new cases peak, it will be another 2 to 3 weeks before the severity of illness of those who have it starts to ease. Even then, if there are still unwell people in the community and we relax restrictions, that number will swell again as we still dont have a vaccine or natural immunity.

I get it, when you are fit and well and the states seem to be doing ok, its hard to see why we cant start creeping back to normality, but its the reason we are doing well.

The news media are likely being asked by government to maintain a bit of a doom and gloom focus to scare people who would otherwise not stay at home.

#15 amdirel

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:36 PM

This is why I don't watch the news!

#16 got my tinsel on

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:41 PM

I think the reports are still very negative because the moment good news reporting starts (even the tiniest bit of positivity) every idiot and their dog will throw caution to the wind thinking 'oh, I knew it wasn't as bad as they were making it out to be' and we'll be back to square one.

Idiots can't even keep themselves in check now let alone when they decide it's over rather than wait for scientific data or a vaccine to make it safe to venture out carefree.

Edited by got my tinsel on, 07 April 2020 - 05:41 PM.

#17 Zeppelina

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:41 PM

Hi Zande. I'm so sorry you are struggling so much. I am only getting through this with a wonderful psychologist, and medication! Are you able to access any help like a psych?

I truly don't think this will go for 18 months. I think they are saying that as a worst-case scenario. For one, I honestly think that we will have a vaccine long before the 18-month mark.

And if it is 18 months, it won't be 18 months like this. These measures were needed so we didn't end up like Italy, like New York. I think we will have ebbs and flows for however long it takes for the vaccine to come out (or, if we're really really really lucky, until we eliminate the virus here in Aus). Some restrictions may be eased for a while, then brought back if there is another outbreak in an area or a town, etc. I think the government will try to find a balance.

The doom and gloom is hard. But the reason they are doing it, as PPs pointed out, is so that people don't get complacent at the exact time we can't afford to get complacent.

If you're interested, please come join us in the 'Covid good news' thread: http://www.essential...5#entry18607123

#18 ECsMum

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:41 PM

View Postarchyandmehitabel, on 07 April 2020 - 05:08 PM, said:

I'm sorry.  When you are in this down state it's hard.

Can you connect with your sister and nephews on Skype or Zoom?  The place I do volunteer work has shut but a group of us are so used ot having a chatty lunch that one has set up a Zoom meeting at lunchtime once a time.

It has been great

Totally agree about Zoom or similar, not the same but DD is loving having contact with her friends this way.

#19 BECZ

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:42 PM

I agree with franklymum that they are trying to keep the fear factor going so to stop people loosening things and making us go backwards.  Also, like Soontobegran said, if they start relaxing things, people will no longer take this seriously and just start doing what they want and who knows where things will end up.

Even keeping things as they are, there’s no guarantee things won’t flare up and out of control.  I think they feel it’s safe to be stricter for longer than to try and repair the damage that it may (probably will) cause.

I know it sux!  I was already not in the best state of mind due to personal issues along with being peri menopausal, so blowing this out of proportion. I’ve never experienced anxiety etc. like this.  Now add Covid19 on top of it, life’s pretty crappy.
I’m holding out for school holidays to start so that instead of having to constantly hound my hides all day, we can just stop and relax and do some fun things to pass the time.

hugs to you Zande and all others who are struggling!

#20 (feral)epg

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:45 PM

It must be a really tricky conundrum for government.  IF we get community spread under control (ie to zero new cases for 2-3 weeks) then we COULD lighten up the social distancing.  But we would have to keep our borders closed until it either dies out in the rest of the world (which it may never do).  OR until someone finds an effective and safe vaccine.

And a vaccine raises it's own set of ethical conundrums - do you test it properly which would take at least a year, or do you scale it up and release it to frontline workers and the highly vulnerable before you know it's true efficacy, side effect profile or even duration?

If we don't find a vaccine (nb they never did find one against SARS, and there are no truly effective vaccines against any of the agriculturally important corona viruses) then what?  Does Australia become fortress Australia and just not let anyone in without a 2 week quarantine period.  Would it be an economic advantage to be disease free but isolated? Do we let a little bit through and hope it trickles through to create some herd immunity?

Makes me glad I'm not a decision maker!

#21 Jane Jetson

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:50 PM

I see some of today's headlines as super cheerful - "How Australia avoided 'horrendous scenario'," and "'Curve is flattening and flattening strongly,' says modelling expert"! That is great stuff.

I mean, that's awesome! It means this crap we're all putting up with (even I'm not so keen on it by now) is actually worth it. It's really making a difference.

Of course, it doesn't mean it doesn't suck in the meantime.

Journalists right now are sort of stuck (I'm one, and if I never write the words "COVID-19" again I will be very happy). I imagine other outlets are bound by their own policies, but we're small and sort of making it up as we go. There's been no directive to report in any particular way that I'm aware of.

The thing is, you don't want to be too optimistic, as it means people will read it then just go back to the beach and have backpackers' parties and spread the damn thing everywhere. And people do silly things - after Trump announced that a particular drug might work, people got very excited about it and started trying to access it just in case they caught Covid, thinking they'd be set. It meant people who take it now for other purposes couldn't access it. So you don't want to encourage that behaviour, you know?

It's a really fine line between not scaring people to death, and not inadvertently encouraging them to act in a way which is counterproductive to the measures we're taking. I don't know if we always get that line right, particularly given that our media is so dominated by one firm which has a very unpleasant take on pretty much everything, but as a collection of individuals we do try, for the most part.

Honestly I'd recommend staying out of news sites and just looking at cat memes instead for a while. It's what I'd like to do instead of writing about the bloody plague!

#22 Kiwi Bicycle

Posted 07 April 2020 - 05:52 PM

I too am struggling and have physical stress symptoms.
I am holdimg out hope we can get down to 0 inflections. I suspect NZ will be able to do this first and it Australia does too that the two countries can open borders between them and allow travel etc. If Australia and NZ can do this, then we can ride out longer term waiting for a vaccine.

#23 annodam

Posted 07 April 2020 - 06:01 PM

They didn't find a vaccine for SARS because the money dried up.
Now look where we are...

#24 MadMarchMasterchef

Posted 07 April 2020 - 06:02 PM

View Postfranklymum, on 07 April 2020 - 05:04 PM, said:

Zande, I think they're hoping to scare everyone into behaving themselves this Easter. The messaging may lighten up after the holiday but right now they want to ensure everyone is very compliant.

That's my take on it too.   Theres still many people out there who don't think its serious because they aren't personally in the high risk group. :no2:

#25 born.a.girl

Posted 07 April 2020 - 06:05 PM

View Postzande, on 07 April 2020 - 04:58 PM, said:

We can live without holidays, although not being able to visit my sister & nephews who live 2 hours south for 18 months is going to hurt.

My girls just want to go back to school. If we could do that and socialise with more than just one other person would allow us to have a bit of life.

I really don't believe it will be that long for that sort of thing.

Like others, I believe we'll loosen things in reverse order.

Football stadiums, gatherings of 500, carnivals, etc etc I suspect are a long way off.

Immediate family get togethers, provided no one's extremely vulnerable, and in very small groups will be the first things allowed.

I suspect, with absolutely nothing to back me up, a lot of that will depend on who's had it, and what we then know about their immunity. There must be staggering amounts of research going on at the moment.

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