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Ladies of leisure stealing child care places???
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 02:20 PM
*** why does this have to be so devisive?
The Government has stated that everybody has at least 20 hours of entitled CCB (dependent on income). Why give anybody grief for utilising it.
The real issue is THE LACK OF CHILDCARE PLACES.
I've been on a waiting list for local childcare for a year and have little hope of getting a spot before the year is out.
And why the insinuations about who pays the least and who pays the most. You get the CCB you are entitled to, dependent on icome. Those that receive the maximum benefits are also holders of health care cards and most likley to be in receipt of Centrelink Benefits: hence they earn the least.
I cannot believe the us versus them going on in this thread.
Coming from a family where BOTH parents study, 1 parent works and 1 parent SAH.
I honestly never even notice what other people are doing, whether they are working etc. I am much more concerned about my son's wellbeing.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 02:29 PM
All I am saying is that if it comes down to need, and not want, then it should be about the needs of the children, as well as the parents, and in that case, well then perhaps every child 'needs' to go to CC.All I am saying is that if it comes down to need, and not want, then it should be about the needs of the children, as well as the parents, and in that case, well then perhaps every child 'needs' to go to CC.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 02:42 PM
Ok Ladies it is time to get back to the original topic.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 02:42 PM
I have 4 kids ranging from 7.5 down to 18mths, all 4 have/are attending DC, and CCB rate changes depending on the 'combined family income'. I am presently entitled to 50hrs/wk at the CCB rate of 72.9% and my 2 youngest are in DC for 2 days. I am a SAHM & won't be going back to work for some time yet.
I study part time, juggle dr's appts, and as soon as DC has the place, they will be going for 3 days. Why? One child has autism, and has specialist appts; another is severly delayed, possible autism and as he's not in school yet, all speech appts etc I take him to. the other 2 are being assessed for various other disabilities, & I really do need the 3 days to co-ordinate all the specialists, but can't afford it, even with the CCB% I currently receive. Even with the hurdles my family has time-wise, the centre they attend will and has asked me to change or cut back days for working mums/dads. With my kids, using occasional care has never worked out as if they don't have the same carer who knows their disabilities, the chn & carers don't cope. It took a full 6 mths of my daughter going to DC to recognise me when I picked her up, and if a person who she (and my youngest as well) went near her, she would scream & 'space out'. When I don't have the equipment at home that's going to help them progress past walking (can't afford it & no space) & they have it & I can't get them into an intervention service because of lack of spaces, then DC it is.
I'm not ashamed at all that on some occasions I've not been able to change days for a working mum - I stick to certain days because the specialists are only available on those days.
We use DC for various reasons & I know I pay dearly for it. We shouldn't worry WHY someone else has a place & someone else doesn't - they & the centre has reasons for it and sometimes those who get the place don't want to advertise the reason & why should they have to. As far as I know, everybodies' business is no longer proclaimed by the town cryer & I'd be really upset and annoyed if this became so.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 03:13 PM
In a perfect world if occassional care was readily available it should be used by SAHM's if not they have a right to be on a waiting list as long as any other person.
I just hope all the SAHM's here that are using daycare arent the same ones who were bagging Work out-of-the-home mums for "abandoning" their children in childcare during the "Steve Biduph -Daycare is bad thread" from a couple of weeks ago!!!!
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:04 PM
OK just have to add that yes SAHM doing more work in a week than working mums do in a day is rediculous, or however it was worded LOL.
I am a SAHM and the work we do apart from the nappy changes etc etc house work etc etc that is done it is the cleaning after the kids believe me you don't do that if you are at work and your kids are in care. If the house is clean in the morning thn you come home to a clean house. That is what we do at home all day. Personally for me this is the hardest work I have ever had to do but that is just me not everyone.
I would love my son to be in care just for the socialisation skills he would get from it and that is the only reason.
I used to work in child care and use to judge people who came and dropped there kids off and go home. I also used to judge the people who worked and there kids where in there longer than all the staff but everyone has different needs and to realise that WOW what a nice calm happy world we would have.
I also had working parents drop off there kids when they had a day off, now you could say Boo to them to.
But anyway as I had said earlier Child Care is just that CHILD CARE not lets make working parents or SAHM parents Happy it is for the KIDS.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:22 PM
If the house is clean in the morning thn you come home to a clean house.
Jack'smum, that's a nice theory. Speaking for myself here, when I was working fulltime, my house was never 100% clean and tidy because I would much rather spend my time with W than doing housework. Then when she was asleep, I was too tired to be dusting the skirting boards.
Studies have shown that when both parents work, housework is the first thing to go. When I get a job again, I'll be getting a cleaner in again.
I'm not working at the moment, but W is still in FDC for one day a week, 9am to 4am. I'm looking for work which involves writing essay length applications and studying plus I don't have family around to look after her. When I get a job, I'd like to have her back in there 4 days a week. Also, she's been going to the same carer since she was 5 months old now - be a bit rough to suddenly pull her out.
So, is that OK with you all? Do I 'deserve' that spot?
Should I also mention that I've only just called today to change my CCB, so I've been paying not quite full price for 2 months when I didn't need to. Plus my FDCarer has several families where one parent doesn't work - think I've vented about it here before.
Having been on both sides of the fence now, I think that when it comes down to it, we are all mothers and it is all difficult. You get lectured if you go out to work and you get lectured if you stay at home. As a mother, you can't win, you just need to do what is best for your children.
I have to say though, that life is a lot less stressful than when I was working. That's just my personal situation of course - the jobs I've had are pretty stressful in and of themselves.
The WOHM/SAHMs are not the ones who have made the system - if you are really that angry, talk to the people who did!
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:27 PM
Hey, what's with all the one-upmanship? I work soooo much harder than you.....blah, blah, blah with a list a mile long. I won't even buy in to the idea that I need to justify to anyone what I do on that do or how hard I work overall or how deserving I am of some respite or whatever you want to call it. It's not about comparing our lists of stuff we do during the day. It's not a bloody competition.
On DD's one day of child care I go to an all day spa and have the staff feeding me peeled grapes while waving palm fronds. Yeah right! But even if that's what I choose to do, who cares? We all choose how we go about our lives based on entirely different personal choices. Even the decision to have children can differ from one person to another so why wouldn't our daily expectations or capabilities or demands differ?
The issue is, as as Lexico rightly points out: not enough childcare places. And even more accurately, not enough QUALITY places. Why should any of us settle for less than that? Well, we do.
I wonder what happens when we're all duking it our for spots at QUALITY primary & secondary schools, uni places etc. Who becomes the wise arbitrater(?) on deciding who goes where or will we allow money and social disparity and inadequate social policy to be the main decison maker?
Why not actively question the real reasons behind why women/parents are coerced into making less than desirable choices regarding their family.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:43 PM
I don't quite understand where anyone gets off on telling another parent that they *deserve* child care more than another parent.
As someone who has used child care as a working mum, a sahm and now, a studying mum, I can understand why these so called "ladies of leisure" (how bloody offensive)need some time to themselves.
I was a sahm with a newborn and a two year old. My house needed a clean desperately and I needed rest, as I was sleep deprived and my then two year old needed some socialisation. So, I enrolled her in for one day at the local child care centre, I got the house cleaned and the rest I needed and dd was happier for it. What's wrong with that?
Btw, there is priority of access. Working parents are at the top of the list and sahms are at the bottom. So, don't get mad at sahms for "stealing" (how ridiculous, they are paying)your spots. It is actually up to the child care provider to make the judgement of who gets what spots.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:54 PM
Alanis Girl- you had a rare job where you obviously didn't actually work!
The periods of time that weren't downtime meant me being responsible for groups of 30-50 school kids or groups of people with multiple and severe disabilities. Along with these groups (spaced out in 1 hour intervals with usually a 10 minute breather between) there were also members of the general public to deal with. I usually worked 10-12 hour days, 7 days a week plus after hours functions and press events. Yes, I found the work much easier because I enjoyed it and at least once one group had left, you never had to see them again and got a breather between the next group (to play basketball as a stress relief.... the management even installed a ring for us). The occasional serving of customers referred to members of the general public. The school groups were a different matter. I don't GET a 10 minute breather with DD! I found it easier because the work had a definite start and end. You don't get that with being a constant child carer.
I think this thread should be locked.
As always, it is just ending up an attack on each other parenting choices.
Posted 11 April 2006 - 04:59 PM
I am locking this pending a review from the moderator of this section.
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