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#76 ~kylie~

Posted 20 October 2006 - 09:42 PM

fendi - I've PM'd you. original.gif

#77 precious1

Posted 25 October 2006 - 09:48 PM

Hi All,
I have been reading this thread with great interest and it is so wonderful to see so many with the same informed views. I am sure there are many more EB mummies (or daddies) that hae been reading but not actually responding. In my case it was not because I was embarrassed but merely that so many of you all have already taken the words from my mouth and I don't really have much to add. blush.gif

It is so nice to see this topic broached in such an intelligent way and it just goes to prove that those involved are truly intelligent beings that have taken the time to make a well researched and informed choice.

I do have a question that someone may have investigated already... What do you think about the meningococcal vaccination? Has anyone looked into this one at all?

Thanks again for your excellent thread and the support it gives us all...

mum to my Precious1

#78 Dimerrick

Posted 25 October 2006 - 10:12 PM

I have just read through all your posts and I admire all the research that you guys have done. A number of you write that you are quite confident that your children would be able to fight off a number of the childhood dieases - that is brilliant - for them - but what about my nephew who has had a tumour on his optical nerve since being three months old. He relies on others being immunised in order to create a saftey net for him. Having treatment which affects his blood count means a common cold can land him in hospital for a week, imagine what a dose of polio or measles would do.
Just a thought.

#79 daffodil27

Posted 25 October 2006 - 10:38 PM

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He relies on others being immunised in order to create a saftey net for him.
Is that because he is not vaccinated? I am presuming he is not as you refer to needing to rely in others for the 'safety net"???

If he cant be vaccinated, why not? If thats the belief of the parents they should go ahead and do it and theoretically should be protected.

each parent has their reason to vaccinate or not... it has to be a choice. Based on my history on reactions to pharmacuticals and sensitivities I am not going to risk what vaccinations will do to my children both as immediate reactions or long term compromises to their immune system so that some one else can sleep easy.

I sympathise with your nephews condition but fail to see how it relates to the decision people in this thread have made???

Edited by daffodil27, 25 October 2006 - 10:43 PM.


#80 madmother

Posted 26 October 2006 - 07:42 AM

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A number of you write that you are quite confident that your children would be able to fight off a number of the childhood diseases - that is brilliant - for them - but what about my nephew who has had a tumour on his optical nerve since being three months old. He relies on others being immunised in order to create a saftey net for him.

But I don't believe that immunisation is effective ! If you check the research it proves that it isn't necessarily responsible for the decline in these diseases  ohmy.gif , and in my case on my child it definitely didn't work!  And so my child has to be put at more risk for your nephew????? sad.gif  What makes him more important than my boys???  And as far as I believe - for no benefit to him!

Edited by madmother, 26 October 2006 - 07:43 AM.


#81 MrsLittlebear

Posted 26 October 2006 - 07:46 AM

I am responsible for my daughter - not your nephew.  It sounds harsh but its the reality.

#82 daffodil27

Posted 26 October 2006 - 10:15 AM

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But I don't believe that immunisation is effective !

I think that that is the core of the vaccination dispute. Those that vaccinate think we just dont want to vaccinate, which also means within that thinking we are letting the herd down etc, their thinking of our opposition is coming from their point of view.

Rather... the more we all research and understand HOW vaccinations work (or dont) in the body the more we reject the notion as it is working agaisnt the innate and intrinsic working of the human body.

Whether vaccinations are effective or not, I dont believe they benefit the immune system long tern if not compromise them.

Why cant a sick child be vaccinated?????? Thats a very interesting question to be answered because in the answer lies a truth -  will it will impact and compormise the immune system of a already fragile child??? If so, who is to say that it cant compromise a healthy child?????????

So many holes and unanswered questions for my liking in the pro-vaccination camp!  blink.gif  wacko.gif  unsure.gif

#83 ~kylie~

Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:50 PM

Has anyone read.. "Just a little prick" ?

#84 madmother

Posted 27 October 2006 - 05:23 PM

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Has anyone read.. "Just a little prick" ?

ROFLMAO  blink.gif  wink.gif  blink.gif
Not sure if referring to some of the so-called specialists or experts we deal with or a former boyfriend who seriously had
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"Just a little prick"
.....

#85 daffodil27

Posted 27 October 2006 - 09:37 PM

LOL Madmother... you are... mad!

Kylie - tell us more!

#86 ~kylie~

Posted 28 October 2006 - 09:27 AM

lol! I am waiting on my copy. original.gif

http://whale.to/vaccines/butler88.html

#87 precious1

Posted 28 October 2006 - 02:02 PM

Awesome link Kylie    
How did you pay for the postage and have they returned your email?
I am looking forward to getting this as well.
It will be handy to have next time I get questioned about my vaccination choice...

I know there is an awesome chapter in "Well Adjusted Babies" (can't remember the author's name). I borrowed this from my chiro but it would be great to have a book of my own as reference especially when sceptics want actual facts - which is ironic since they usually don't have many facts themselves!

Thanks for that info    

mum to my Precious1

Edited by precious1, 28 October 2006 - 02:06 PM.


#88 precious1

Posted 28 October 2006 - 03:14 PM

OMG - I can't believe how prompt they were at replying to my emails. biggrin.gif
Awesome service!
I can't wait to get it now...  biggrin.gif

BTW - they send the book and you pay your cheque afterwards when you get it.

#89 daffodil27

Posted 28 October 2006 - 03:17 PM

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"Well Adjusted Babies" (can't remember the author's name)

Jennifer Barham-Floreani, just have to brag and say that she a good friend of ours and we are very proud of her with the success of her book!!  smile1.gif  biggrin.gif  cool.gif

#90 precious1

Posted 28 October 2006 - 03:40 PM

Daffodil,
You will have to tell her then that her book was excellent however the version I had read at the time had quite a few spelling errors  rolleyes.gif They seemed to be only in certain chapters though - almost as though some chapters were edited and others missed...

Anyway - didn't take away from the awesome information she had to offer!

May be handy for her to know though!

#91 daffodil27

Posted 28 October 2006 - 03:45 PM

yeah, I noticed that too and mentioned it to her! They actually self published as they would have had to change a lot of information to "conform" if they did it through a publishing house.
They have since done an updated edition which has been professionally edited etc which wasnt fully done the first time as I recall.

#92 ~kylie~

Posted 28 October 2006 - 05:41 PM

The spelling errors stood out for me as well! Fantastic book though, my chiro lent it to me while I was pregnant. original.gif

Precious1 - A friend of mine ordered 4 copies and I bought one from her. original.gif

#93 Belly82

Posted 10 November 2006 - 06:53 AM

IM after a Paed. thats ok with non-vacintated kids?! Im nin sydney...and have we have informatively chosen not to vacinate our little boy. I need to take him to a paed. but i really dont want the whooo-haaaa of not vacinating him etc etc... hoping some one knows a good one thats understanding and accepting...or in the least willing to agree to disagree IYKWIM!? blink.gif

Thanks...Liza

#94 madmother

Posted 10 November 2006 - 07:09 AM

Dr Underwood is in Sydney I think?  He was at Uni with our GP and she cannot speak highly enough of him.  I'm pretty sure after seeing him on a few shows that he would be supportive of your decision as he is into Chelation and lots of other alternative solutions for our kids (shame I'm in Qld).

#95 RainDancer

Posted 18 November 2006 - 01:40 PM

Finally a thread where we can share the knowledge we have gained on vaccinations and the choice to not vaccinate!!  My DS is 7 months old and we chose not to vaccinate him.  I have a history of allergies and immune problems (I had CFS as a teenager, resulting in many allergies).  After looking into both sides of the debate, I couldn't see any good reasons to have my son vaccinated.

I am lucky that I have a SIL who has also chosen not to vaccinate, so I have someone to talk to about the issue, especially when the pressure was coming from so many people, nurses at the hospital, our MCHN, doctors... but I stuck to my guns when confronted with other peoples critisisms.  I do not openly discuss the issue with others generally, I believe that I have the choice to do what I think is best for my DS and that others have the right to do what they think is best for their children.  I do not appreciate people trying to shove their beliefs down my throat, especially when they have not even investigated the issue at all.

The PP who believed that we need to vaccinate our children, against our better judgement, to ensure the safety of her nephew doesn't seem to understand where we are coming from on this issue.  I understand her anguish at the plight of her nephew, I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but that does not overrule our right as parents to ensure that our children are as healthy and happy as can be.  Should we risk our children to the consequences of being immunised to 'safety net' her nephew??  I don't think so!   We are not being negligent to the population, we are looking after the best interests of our children.  Just wondering why he can't be vaccinated?  Makes me again question the benefit of immunisations if those who are less robust can't be vaccinated due to the possible negative outcomes, why the rest of our children should be subject to it.  

My DS is having homeopathic immunisations (prophylaxis) and it works well for us.  He has never been sick, only sniffles here and there.  We try to eat as healthy as possible, organic food mostly, and we only occasionally have fast food and junk.  We are not being negligent as far as I am concerned; we are doing our best to make sure our DS is as safe from these diseases as we possibly can, by looking into the issue and understanding how immunisation works, and how the body's own immune system works to fight infection and disease to keep us healthy.  We are not acting on fear and ignorance on this issue.  I wonder if all parents who chose to vaccinate can say the same?

#96 Guest_fendi_*

Posted 18 November 2006 - 01:57 PM

Great post ~raine~.

#97 Mum2NE1

Posted 01 December 2006 - 06:34 PM

Did anyone see the documentary on SBS today at 1pm "The Origin of AIDS - A Scientific Controversy"

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In his 1999 book The River, author Edward Hooper, a former BBC journalist, charted a remarkable theory regarding the possible origins of AIDS. He presented strong circumstantial evidence that pointed to the inadvertent contamination of an experimental oral polio vaccine administered in Africa in the late 1950's. Hooper argues that this vaccine most likely became the vehicle by which a simian precursor of HIV/AIDS carried by chimpanzees was able to jump the species barrier into humans. Hooper is being challenged to find concrete evidence to back up his contentions. The documentary follows Hooper to Burundi and the Ruzizi valley in Rwanda, both areas where the local communities were used as guinea pigs in the trial of early polio vaccines.


Edited to add this link also
http://www.aegis.com/news/Lt/1999/LT991210.html

I have heard this theory before, but the doco today actually had what I would call proof.
It has made me think though, if the species jump of AIDS was caused/created by using contaminated chimp kidney & liver in polio vaccine, could the species jump of bird flu be from the use of chicken embryo in the common flu vaccine?
I'd love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Edited by Mum2NE1, 01 December 2006 - 07:03 PM.


#98 daffodil27

Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:11 PM

I didnt see the doco but had read alot about that Monkey/AIDS thing.

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could the species jump of bird flu be from the use of chicken embryo in the common flu vaccine?


I thought this when I first heard about the bird flu, so although I have no evidence to support my thoughts, I think for sure it must have contributed in some way!

thanks for your contribution!

#99 Chelli

Posted 02 December 2006 - 03:34 PM

Hi everyone,
I have started another thread for you all original.gif




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