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#1 OrangeSprout

Posted 28 January 2009 - 11:49 PM

As the title says.

I have always been a Staffy lover but how much do the American Staffy's differ to the English Staffy's???


I am considering getting a Staffy later this year.

#2 fangbanger

Posted 29 January 2009 - 12:49 AM

The American Staffy is nothing like the English, both in looks and temperament.  The American staffy is much taller and leaner than the English version.  The English are known as being good natured, protective family dogs.  Whereas the American staffys are closer in temperament to a pitbull.  They are higher strung, and more aggressive.  I live next door to one, and he is horrible.  I am a dog lover, and after three years, Lewis still tries to break down the fence by hurling himself at it, frothing at the mouth.  The American staffies have nothing on their beautiful English counterparts.

Stick with the Brits is my advice.

#3 *Ker*

Posted 29 January 2009 - 10:01 AM

Not all of them are like that! My mum has one, and I never liked ANY staffy's before she got one. Well, I love this guy. He is protective of his house and family, but not to the extent of hurling himself at a fence. He is absolutely BRILLIANT with the kids and puts up with a lot until he's fed up and walks away to hide. He takes their enthusiastic cuddles with the famous Staffy grin and even just lays there if they use him as a step or a seat.

Just be very picky and careful in choosing a breeder and you'll be fine.

#4 bubba-licious

Posted 29 January 2009 - 10:17 AM

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Whereas the American staffys are closer in temperament to a pitbull. They are higher strung, and more aggressive.
I also disagree with this statement.
We have an American Staffy & she is a loving gentle member of our family. Any dog that is mistreated or raised inappropriatly can be highly strung & aggressive & I find maltese, blue heelers & cross breeds fit into that description a lot better than an American Staffy.

I have had the pleasure of owning both English & American & I can tell you that the English was far naughtier than my American. Be prepared to walk them every day sometimes twice as they are an active breed. Lots of toys as they like to chew. And an extra large couch as despite their size they believe them selves to be lap dogs!

#5 OrangeSprout

Posted 29 January 2009 - 11:29 PM

Thankyou for  your replies.

I have always loved the English/Standard Staffy but had seen the AmStaff's advertised and then actually saw one walking in our street with it's owner.

I am hoping that we can get a staffy later this yeaar so still have time to research on what we want and find a reputable breeder.


Thanks

#6 Guest_Jaylasmum_*

Posted 30 January 2009 - 06:16 AM

My sister & her family have an american staffy and he is another beautiful gentle loving dog.  He is VERY tolerant with young children (we do not own a dog and our children try to ride, sit, chase etc etc when we visit) and he just moves away when he has had enough.  He is always on 'watch' when the children are out playing even to the extent of being beside them in crashing waves when they are across the road at the beach.  He spent christmas morning laying in the middle of the lounge room surrounding by 7 children aged 1 - 8, 8 adults and a ridiculous amount of presents and wrapping getting thrown around him and he promptly fell asleep.  Definately not highly strung or aggressive.  If I were to ever get a dog it would be an american staffy.

#7 crazymumof5

Posted 30 January 2009 - 06:30 PM

We own an American Staffy, she is such a gentle dog, we have 5 kids and she has been nothing but loving to them, she is a good guard dog and barks mostly while my partner is at work, but she is all talk, as soon as anyone steps out the back she is all over them, giving them hugs and kisses, she has made a nice addition to our family.

#8 rolandsmum

Posted 31 January 2009 - 01:52 AM

American staffy's are great i had one growing up (rip tyson) i had him since i was 8 yrs old, he was a puppy, he died at 13.
he was the most gentle dog ive ever known, he would let me do anything to him even dress him up lol he loved everyone, the only thing he didnt like were other dogs and cats, but my step-dad used to stir him up when a dog or cat whent past so i think thats why he was like that!!

i dont think you will regret an American staffy, i actually think they look nicer than the english ones!!

#9 onlymeagain

Posted 31 January 2009 - 01:23 PM

If you research American Staffs, you will find they are pitbulls.  

'English' staffs are actually Staffordshire Bull Terriers

The following ii taken from  bulldogbreeds.com

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Description:
The American Staffordshire Terrier's muscled build and protective instinct should make strangers beware, yet with their own family they are devoted, gentle and loving. A common question regarding the American Staffordshire Terrier is, "How is this breed different from the American Pit Bull Terrier?". In the eyes of the United Kennel Club, they are the same breed, but many disagree. Some AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terriers are dual-registered as American Pit Bull Terriers with the UKC; however, this draws criticism from many who point out that the bloodlines have been separate for too long for these to be considered the same breed. The AKC, on the other hand, does not allow a UKC-registered American Pit Bull Terrier to be registered as an American Staffordshire Terrier. To be dual-registered, the dog must first be an AKC-registered American Staffordshire Terrier and then it can be registered with the UKC as an APBT -- but not vice versa... They are courageous and a tenacious fighter if provoked. Training can be a challenge because of their pushy yet sensitive character. Their natural temperament towards people is gentle and loving, unfortunately some have been improperly handled giving the American Staffordshire Terrier a bad rap.


#10 Sarahthree

Posted 31 January 2009 - 03:23 PM

Having worked with many i must say they generally have the most beautiful temperament wub.gif  I would put equal trust in them with family and other pets as i would English Staffs (keeping in mind both are powerful breeds)

Do not be put off by the pitbull stigma - i have never come across a naturally aggressive AS only those that are a product of their environment.

Either way if you want a Staffy please consider your local shelter as both ES and AS are over represented in all shelters i have been involved with.

#11 Guest_shauna'smum_*

Posted 31 January 2009 - 05:00 PM

The big differnce between APT and AS is that the APT is an unrecongiized breed in Australia.
They ar also restriced and its illegal to breed.
This results in irresponsible breeders breeding these dogs for all the wrong reasons and them developing unpredictable temps.
Many of these poor dogs are bred for one thing, FIGHTING, any poor dog that is not a fighter gets destroyed, so what happens is these dogs end up out of the gene pool and the 'fighting' trait gets more pronounced and re-enforced.

AS however is a recognized breed, responsibel REGISTERED breeders have been breeding lovely dogs with fantastic temps for years now.
They actually CONCENTRATE on temp before any other trait so that they grow up to be lovely family members.

So while they are APT, Staffys and AS all have the same heritage the staffys and AS have been bred for companionship and as family pet.
There is actually very little differnce now between the smaller staffy and the AS, same temp, same 'goofiness' and both have the same passionate love for their families.

For a person who is a expereinced dog owner and is willing to do heaps of trainig (they are big and boisterous and will need to be taught manners) then I think they make a great family pet.

Just make sure you get one from a ethical registered breeder who breeds for temp above all else.
If the breeder tries to sell you one with a more expensive 'colour' (blue colour is popular at the moment wacko.gif ) then avoid because you then know they are breeding for colour first, not temp.

Good luck!!

#12 *Ker*

Posted 01 February 2009 - 02:05 AM

Oh FGS...they are NOT the same thing. Mum's doesn't even LOOK like an APBT. And APBT are ok, with the right owner. It's all the tools who get them to get a "tough dog" that have given them a bad name.

As Carla said, go for a GOOD registered breeder and you will be fine. Otherwise, if you are in NSW, check out Staffy Rescue. They take Staffies (both English and Amstaff) from pounds, do their vet work and rehome.

Incidentally, in the world of showing, blue is a fault. If they're charging more for these, they are unethical.

#13 BrindleGirl

Posted 01 February 2009 - 08:19 PM

I don't want to get into this debate as this topic is VERY close to me.

I own an American Staffy and he is the best god damn thing in this family and is a best friend to my son.

I trust and love him 100%. I'll post some pics (oh and my dog is the reason behind my username wub.gif )











I personally recommend the breed. Also OP if your in NSW and want to know a breeder I can give you the details of the breeder who we bought our dog from. He comes from parents who were both Australian Champions.

Just remember that if you buy an Amstaff then I suggest you get one from a registered breeder original.gif

#14 amstaffs

Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE (pinkunicorn @ 29/01/2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The American Staffy is nothing like the English, both in looks and temperament.  The American staffy is much taller and leaner than the English version.  The English are known as being good natured, protective family dogs.  Whereas the American staffys are closer in temperament to a pitbull.  They are higher strung, and more aggressive.  I live next door to one, and he is horrible.  I am a dog lover, and after three years, Lewis still tries to break down the fence by hurling himself at it, frothing at the mouth.  The American staffies have nothing on their beautiful English counterparts.

Stick with the Brits is my advice.




so basically fangbanger is saying he is no expert and i would doubt he would even be able to tell the difference between a pit-bull terrier and an american staffordshire terrier . but my opinion as an amstaff breeder i must say it makes me sad when people have this idea about the breed and spread it as the truth i have owned 3 english staffys and own 2 american staffys at the moment and the english staffy is far more active and dependant(but that is only the opinion of an owner i have never had the vast experience of living next door to one).  pbt (pit bull terriers) and ast (american staffordshire terriers) are seperate breeds and have been scince 1900. these dogs are not even in the top half of the dog aggression list in fact i will give you the list of the top ten
#10: Dalmatians
#9: boxers
#8: presa canarios
#7: chow chow
#6: doberman
#5: alaskan malamutes
#4: huskies
#3: German shepard
#2: rottwielers
#1: PIT BULLS!!!!!!!!

so my problem is a so called dog lover telling people that american staffys are more like the most agressive dog breed in the world!!!!!!! rather than saying i dont actually know but i looked it up and they are deemed a non aggressive dog!

i only made an account on here to clarify the correct details not the story of some nobody dog lover who happens to live next door to a bad dog OWNER!!!!!!!!! not a bad dog breed and i realise that if you got a dog already its probably a couple of years old now but the truth must be heard


#15 amstaffs

Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE (pinkunicorn @ 29/01/2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The American Staffy is nothing like the English, both in looks and temperament.  The American staffy is much taller and leaner than the English version.  The English are known as being good natured, protective family dogs.  Whereas the American staffys are closer in temperament to a pitbull.  They are higher strung, and more aggressive.  I live next door to one, and he is horrible.  I am a dog lover, and after three years, Lewis still tries to break down the fence by hurling himself at it, frothing at the mouth.  The American staffies have nothing on their beautiful English counterparts.

Stick with the Brits is my advice.




so basically fangbanger is saying he is no expert and i would doubt he would even be able to tell the difference between a pit-bull terrier and an american staffordshire terrier . but my opinion as an amstaff breeder i must say it makes me sad when people have this idea about the breed and spread it as the truth i have owned 3 english staffys and own 2 american staffys at the moment and the english staffy is far more active and dependant(but that is only the opinion of an owner i have never had the vast experience of living next door to one).  pbt (pit bull terriers) and ast (american staffordshire terriers) are seperate breeds and have been scince 1900. these dogs are not even in the top half of the dog aggression list in fact i will give you the list of the top ten
#10: Dalmatians
#9: boxers
#8: presa canarios
#7: chow chow
#6: doberman
#5: alaskan malamutes
#4: huskies
#3: German shepard
#2: rottwielers
#1: PIT BULLS!!!!!!!!

so my problem is a so called dog lover telling people that american staffys are more like the most agressive dog breed in the world!!!!!!! rather than saying i dont actually know but i looked it up and they are deemed a non aggressive dog!

i only made an account on here to clarify the correct details not the story of some nobody dog lover who happens to live next door to a bad dog OWNER!!!!!!!!! not a bad dog breed and i realise that if you got a dog already its probably a couple of years old now but the truth must be heard


#16 Hodor55

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:00 PM


I believe it was AmStaffs that chewed up a jogger in Sydney recently in an attack so gross I will just link if you do wish to read (don't be eating at the time):

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/0...worst-ever-seen



#17 Lyn86

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:04 PM

Nothing like a five year old thread to kick start a Friday!

#18 Hodor55

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:07 PM


*checks date*  

Doh.



#19 PubertyBlues

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:17 PM

QUOTE (Lyn86 @ 21/06/2013, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing like a five year old thread to kick start a Friday!


Old thread is old.......but.....

QUOTE (~Ker~ @ 01/02/2009, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As Carla said, go for a GOOD registered breeder and you will be fine. Otherwise, if you are in NSW, check out Staffy Rescue. They take Staffies (both English and Amstaff) from pounds, do their vet work and rehome.

It's always good to give Staffy Rescue a plug - they are wonderful, wonderful people - who just happened to be the home where we found our beautiful dog.  She's a mix, but is more Amstaff than anything else - and she is a loving, calm, sweet and funny girl.  We adore her.

Have a look a the FB page for some of the most delicious dogs you will ever clap eyes on.....

https://www.facebook.com/staffyrescueshelter

Edited by PubertyBlues, 21 June 2013 - 03:18 PM.


#20 ironbutterfly

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:26 PM

Agree plugging a rescue is always good, no matter how old wink.gif
And if you're in WA SABBR (Staffy And Bully Breed Rescue FB page)



#21 noonehere

Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:38 PM

They are beautiful dogs. To me they are just a bigger version of the English LOL
I have NEVER met an aggressive staffie ever. They are wonderful family dogs as long as you socialise and train train and train. Like all big dogs they can be rough so having control is a must.
Not sure if it matter but we have a am staff x ridgeback and she's beautiful. So lazy and sooky, she was like a old soul from the day we got her (8weeks old) yes she chewed and dug but good raw bones and me being a STHM has stopped that. She follows our toddler everywhere and I find them sharing food often




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