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post 06/06/2012, 11:42 PM
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Just a random thing that popped into my head. Sorry it's long. When I was researching pain relief options in hospital, it was very much seen as an escalation where you start with gas, then try pethidine if you need more, then to epidural if you need more again.

After my research, I decided to try to avoid the pethidine option, largely due to it's effects on the baby (as compared to gas and epidural, which I believe has fairly minimal effect on the baby), it's duration (in that at my hospital it was offered as an injection not a drip, so if I didn't like it I was stuck with it for 4 hours), and the experiences of my SIL's who had it, and hated it (nausea, feeling out of control, feeling it didn't reduce the pain, but reduced their ability to cope with it).

Once I got to hospital, I laboured for almost 24 hours only to find I was still only a couple of cms dilated, so at that point I knew I couldn't do another 24 hours on gas and figured I was going to end up with an epidural anyway, so I thought I'd go straight to that and avoid the nastiness of pethidine in my bub. I was also already 'hooked up' to a drip due to having ketones, so I wasn't able to have a free and active labour at that point anyway.

Anyway this was strongly opposed by the midwife and Dr on shift, and they heavily pressured me to take the pethidine (even when I was happy with gas and hadn't mentioned epidural!). They pushed and pushed until I started to doubt my own judgement, but thanks to the wonderful support from the previous midwife who respected my preferences, plus a midnight call to the SIL's to strengthen my resolve, I ended up saying no and got my epidural. I'm pleased I did, as I had lots more labour to go!

ANYWAY I'd just put this down to bad luck in the Dr and midwife that were on shift (which it certainly, partly was).

Last week, a friend of mine reported the same sort of experience. I had told her my story so she was rather against pethidine as well, but she was also heavily pressured by the midwife to take pethidine, and even after saying no she was interrogated, and pushed, in much the same way I was. Luckily they ended up calling her ob (she was private), and he respected her wishes.

Two different hospitals, one private one public, similar treatment and lack of respect of the mothers decision regarding pethidine.

Why is this? I'm just wondering - is there a good reason for there to necessarily be a progression THROUGH pethidine before epidural? Or is this more of a 'tradition'? Is there any reason why staff should be so keen on it that they will be very pushy and attempt to override the mother's choice? Or is it a case of bad staff?

I was just surprised that she should come across someone so innapropriately pushy, and on the same issue as me, and was wondering
1) is this common, and
2) why might it have happened?


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- CallMeAl   Gas, then pethidine, then epidural...   06/06/2012, 11:42 PM
- - Lightning_bug   Pethadine has a more relaxing component to it. Fr...   06/06/2012, 11:48 PM
- - tibs   They probably thought it was too much of a PITA to...   06/06/2012, 11:49 PM
|- - CallMeAl   QUOTE (tibs @ 06/06/2012, 11:49 PM) They ...   07/06/2012, 12:25 AM
- - Roselet   I can't answer your question, but have an addi...   06/06/2012, 11:49 PM
|- - mtilly   QUOTE (Roselet @ 06/06/2012, 11:49 PM) I ...   06/06/2012, 11:59 PM
- - SnazzySass   Wouldn't it be something to do with the danger...   06/06/2012, 11:52 PM
- - popple   I can't really answer your questions but thoug...   06/06/2012, 11:56 PM
- - mtilly   I had a very long LONG labour. I was in hospital f...   06/06/2012, 11:57 PM
- - SCARFACE CLAW   I found that the Pethidine didn't reduce the p...   07/06/2012, 12:05 AM
|- - Cadie   I was given pethadine first but that was to sleep ...   07/06/2012, 12:12 AM
|- - balletmom4   QUOTE (SCARFACE CLAW @ 07/06/2012, 12:05 ...   07/06/2012, 09:35 AM
- - Eeyolet   With DS I had gas and then when i needed more I ha...   07/06/2012, 12:16 AM
- - Lokum   I reckon pethidine shuts you up and gives everyone...   07/06/2012, 12:25 AM
- - Bluie   I was given gas and then went straight to an epidu...   07/06/2012, 12:29 AM
- - Swahili   With my first labour I went from using the gas to ...   07/06/2012, 12:30 AM
|- - CallMeAl   QUOTE (Swahili @ 07/06/2012, 12:30 AM) So...   07/06/2012, 12:35 AM
|- - tibs   QUOTE (Swahili @ 07/06/2012, 12:30 AM) So...   07/06/2012, 12:45 AM
- - CallMeAl   Lokum - you make me so glad I held out when I was ...   07/06/2012, 12:30 AM
- - MAGS24   I found pethidine very useful during my first labo...   07/06/2012, 12:40 AM
- - Swahili   QUOTE (tibs @ 07/06/2012, 12:45 AM) My si...   07/06/2012, 01:09 AM
|- - CallMeAl   QUOTE (Swahili @ 07/06/2012, 01:09 AM) OP...   07/06/2012, 09:55 AM
- - flakyfish   I actually had the opposite experience - i asked f...   07/06/2012, 01:39 AM
- - Bibendum   I was puzzled about the assumption that this was t...   07/06/2012, 01:59 AM
- - bakesgirls   QUOTE (tibs @ 07/06/2012, 01:45 AM) My si...   07/06/2012, 02:27 AM
- - pookems85   I had been in active labour for 8 or 9 hours after...   07/06/2012, 03:51 AM
- - tauruspregnant!   I'm going to ask a question as someone about t...   07/06/2012, 04:30 AM
- - I'm Batman   My labour is recorded as being 3hrs 20, I was indu...   07/06/2012, 04:31 AM
- - pookems85   Taurus get your birth partner on side.   07/06/2012, 04:38 AM
- - edgeofreality   I was given pethadine shortly after ariving in the...   07/06/2012, 05:54 AM
- - Mercurial   With DS my waters had broken but labour didn't...   07/06/2012, 06:25 AM
- - Lausii   When I was pregnant with my last child, I remember...   07/06/2012, 06:36 AM
- - Wigglemama   I am a delivery suite midwife. We no longer use pe...   07/06/2012, 06:54 AM
|- - Original Greenbag   QUOTE (Wigglemama @ 07/06/2012, 06:54 AM)...   07/06/2012, 12:19 PM
- - Monket   I gave birth in a private hospital where an epidur...   07/06/2012, 07:33 AM
- - red_squirrel   An epidural can only remain in for so long. If the...   07/06/2012, 07:38 AM
- - Kay1   QUOTE Pethadine has a more relaxing component to i...   07/06/2012, 07:47 AM
- - lozoodle   I had the opposite experience. I didn't want t...   07/06/2012, 08:07 AM
- - CupcakeMumma   I had pethedine for my 1 st and 3 rd labours and a...   07/06/2012, 08:20 AM
- - Baggy   I didn't like that gas, and was scared of gett...   07/06/2012, 08:29 AM
- - pookems85   Wiggle mumma you sound great but some of your coll...   07/06/2012, 08:47 AM
- - Jenflea   I was offered gas but hated the idea of something ...   07/06/2012, 08:57 AM
- - Ange Vert   In hindsight, if I could change one thing about my...   07/06/2012, 08:58 AM
- - Bluenomi   I actually forgot peth was an option when I was in...   07/06/2012, 09:03 AM
- - *LucyE*   QUOTE Major public hospitals, always have staff th...   07/06/2012, 09:08 AM
- - Cranky Kitten   DD - induction, epi placed the night before when t...   07/06/2012, 09:12 AM
- - Katia09   When I was in labour, I got to a stage where I fel...   07/06/2012, 09:20 AM
- - duck-o-lah   My plan was to have gas until I couldn't handl...   07/06/2012, 09:23 AM
- - Alacritous~Andy   I have a really bad reaction to a lot of pain meds...   07/06/2012, 09:30 AM
- - Swahili   Attempting to override or influence a decision is ...   07/06/2012, 10:09 AM
|- - CallMeAl   QUOTE (Swahili @ 07/06/2012, 10:09 AM) At...   07/06/2012, 12:03 PM
- - Retro_Mumma   I think sometimes you have to be a hard ass and ta...   07/06/2012, 11:08 AM
- - Rachaelxxx   I guess the epidural is always going to be the las...   07/06/2012, 11:47 AM
- - trishalishous   I regularly take (prescribed) codeine for migranes...   07/06/2012, 11:53 AM
- - JAPN2   I had gas only with first two and pethidene for th...   07/06/2012, 12:13 PM
- - bakesgirls   QUOTE (CallMeAl @ 07/06/2012, 10:55 AM) M...   07/06/2012, 12:15 PM
- - Swahili   QUOTE (CallMeAl @ 07/06/2012, 12:03 PM) G...   07/06/2012, 12:23 PM
- - kissy10   I had DS1 in a private hospy & always planned ...   07/06/2012, 12:26 PM
- - mad madam mim   QUOTE (tibs @ 06/06/2012, 09:49 PM) They ...   07/06/2012, 01:06 PM
- - Spartacus   This is why I had a birth plan. I did not want pet...   07/06/2012, 01:16 PM
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